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PR Reviews

Issue #998: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/998

jg: problem due to aria-label
... if title is used for name, it is same as description

jn: need to provide to kbd users also

<MarkMcCarthy> +1 jamesn

mck: no support for tooltips in a touch interface

jn: title doesn't make it workable for everybody

mck: needs review by group of #998

jg: accessible name & description seem redundant

mck: if title exists, does it automatically turn into description?

jn: yes, if no other description
... aria-describedby over-rides title

mck: title is meant to inform iconography

jn: if name and description are same, screen readers shouldn't announce description

Carolyn: thinks needs redo without title

mck: how to action PR?

jg: will take on as he wrote code

mck: text label for tooltip

<jamesn> Here is the codepen https://s.codepen.io/Moiety/debug/LaPvWy

<jamesn> this would be like :"Tooltip as main label" example

Carolyn will update PR

<D_Bass> Practical Support: aria-label, aria-labelledby and aria-describedby

<D_Bass> http://www.w3.org/TR/using-aria/#label-support

Issue #1018: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1018

mck: reviews requested - needs more eyes

jg: thinks jn wants bigger target area for buttons

<jamesn> (I'm getting a 404 on the githack link btw)

<carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/971#issuecomment-492719504

Naming and describing guidance section

https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/zcorpan/labelling-describing/aria-practices.html#names_and_descriptions

mck: strictly editorial changes have been made by mck & Jemma
... thinks there is no preferred naming technique

Carolyn: thinks depends on usage

mck: discussed "Cardinal Rules of Naming"
... keep 5.3.2.4 & 5.3.2.5 to HTML techniques
... asking for review of 5.3.4
... what more needs to be added to table? Like why name an alert?
... some guidance written doesn't currently appear in table
... "Name required" = always, recommended, optional, never
... optional = allows dev to ignore
... guidance for always and never will have similar guidance
... seeking feedback in PR

<D_Bass> if it is more work to add optional and can be harder for a diff developer to read. job security. alway use the optional if it reinvents the wheele.

jg: suggest using img element for all examples

<D_Bass> title has worked better than alt in browser we support.

<jongund> got to go

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Next meeting June 3

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