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XForms Users Community Group Teleconference

08 May 2019

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Alain, Erik, Philip, Steven
Regrets
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Contents


10 years XForms (1.1)

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019May/0002

Steven: We are planning an event in Amsterdam in October, XForms jubilee will be a focus
... Both Alain and I will be at Markup UK
... I'm giving a tutorial

Alain: I'm giving a paper on XQuery and XForms

ACTION-2252: Insert atomic values as text nodes. [DONE]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Apr/0052

Closing if no comments

ACTION-2253: Correct text about @at [DONE]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Apr/0053

[Closing if no comments.

ACTION-2248: Update out-of-range for section on all controls [DONE]

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Apr/0036

[Closing if no comments]

Steven: All 3 duly closed

ACTION-2254: Revise <replace/>

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019May/0004

Steven: I've done a revision; next week we can discuss.

MIPs at control level

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2019Apr/0046

Erik: "MIP" is the wrong term.
... We have no way of updating the MIPs from the view
... One requirement is the ability to make a control non-visible/relevant from the control itself.
... Alain mentioned the trick to do it.
... In general I agree with the proposal, at least up to a point.

Steven: We have already moved alert into the model, this seems to be doing the same thing in the other direction.

Erik: We have to decide which behaviours we need.
... Relevance and readonly are two clear cases.
... The notion of having the data non-relevant could be matched with visibility, against disabled.
... In HTML, readonly and disabled are two distinct things.

Steven: We have that too surely.
... We use the term disabled for a control, and for the CSS, and the event

https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#form-control-non-relevance-conditions

Erik: There are issues anyway.
... We use enabled and disabled to reflect relevance

Steven: Originally at least we said that that was a styling issue.

Erik: There are two different intentions. In our implementation we use readonly for that.
... it could become a bigger topic
... we have some decisions to make

Steven: How do we go further?
... Next steps?

Erik: One simple option, relevance and readonly in the model and in the view. It doesn;t effect the model, and has the same effect. THat is the simple version
... Processing model is that nothing fancy is going on
... Just on the view
... Other option, use the opportunity to add another way to handle the three representations of the control.
... Not entirely clear in my head yet though.
... What does Alain think?

Alain: Not sure.
... Is it easier as HTML or as in the model?
... For me it would be easier as in the model. Not sure about it for others.

Erik: Are you questioning whether to do this at all?

Alain: No, it is needed. There is a trick for relevance, but not for readonly. It would be good to have.

Steven: We need a more fleshed-out proposal.
... I have a lot of unfinished actions, so I don;t want to own it.

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to think more about properties on controls.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2255 - Think more about properties on controls. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2019-05-15].

AOB

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Erik to think more about properties on controls.
 

Summary of Resolutions

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