W3C

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Verifiable Claims Working Group

26 Mar 2019

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Tzviya_Siegman, Kaz_Ashimura, Dan_Burnett, Dave_Longley, Justin_Richer, Ken_Ebert, Matt_Stone, oliver_terbu, Andrei_Sambra, Benjamin_Young, Amy_Guy, David_Chadwick, Ted_Thibodeau, Brent_Zundel, Bob_Burke, Nick_Carroll
Regrets
msporny
Chair
Matt_Stone, Dan_Burnett
Scribe
ken

Contents


<scribe> scribe: ken

<stonematt> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2019Mar/0026.html

Introductions

matt: anyone?

CR Document

Matt: We are now in CR.

burn: It is approved. Congratulations!

Matt: Thanks to everyone getting final issues closed and PRs merged.
... We still have effort to go to get to our public rec. To hit our deadline for PR we need to hit the next transition in 2 months.
... We need to resolve issues in the next four weeks.
... Issues raised must be addressed very clearly: take action or defer.
... Issues will be logged.

dan: The deadline for a vote for publication in 2 months.
... This is the reason for the pressure.

Editorial practices

Matt: In the race to get to CR, it is possible to go into github and make edits, and commit without review.
... As a practice, this is not our method.

<Nick> +Nick_Carroll

Matt: Use a PR and have at least one other member review.

<Nick> +bob_burke

Matt: This provides transparency.
... If you have a small fix, you can use git- web edit to create it online with a branch and PR.

Unassigned issues and PR

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=✓&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+no%3Aassignee

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+no%3Aassignee+-label%3Adefer+

Matt: Let's ignore deferred items.
... Clarification related issues need volunteers to help close them.
... Some need discussion; some already have text that can be pointed to.
... Issue #471
... Discussion of trust and authority.
... Brent volunteers to put a PR together.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/470

Matt: Issue #470

Oliver: We had some email regarding this. Is this sufficient?

Justin: Reading through this, I still think the text is insufficient without a deep knowledger of JSON-LD
... Informative references would be helpful.
... Normally we want to keep things generic. It will help those like me that don't come from a JSON-LD background.

<Justin_Richer> s/normally/normatively/

Matt: Our objective is to find a volunteer to guide the discussion.

Dlongley: This could be handled in the implementation guide.

<Zakim> dlongley, you wanted to ask if this should be handled in the implementation guide

Oliver: I was going to suggest something similar.

Matt: Is having this in the implementation guide sufficient?

Justin: The guidance needs to be in examples. I think it is a small amount.

<Zakim> dlongley, you wanted to take this issue

dlongley: I'll handle it.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/465

Brent: I assigned myself.

Matt: This is a good example of referencing parts of the spec that address the issue.
... I suggest if we have a strong response, we should close the issue and let a reopen occur if needed.

Dan: We need to be clear on why we think this is resolved.
... We don't have to agreed, but we have to say what we will do and why.

Matt: Does that make sense?

<DavidC> yes

brent: The ability to open is different ability is different that the ability to reopen.

Dan: We need to review the settings on priviledges.
... We should say that we will close the issue if we don't hear additional concerns in 7 days.

<Justin_Richer> +1 to the announcment and time bound

Matt: Is 7 days appropriate?

Dan: Two weeks is more normal.

<Justin_Richer> You can comment on closed issues on GitHub, FWIW.

Matt: With no objections we will indicate the actions to be taken and that the issue will close in two weeks.

Dan: I will do this for the current issue.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/464

Matt: "The" or "A" subject of a credential?

DavidC: I will create a small PR with editorial changes.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/463

Matt: Not every entity can perform every role. It has had some discussion.
... David?

DavidC: Yes

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/458

Matt: Refreshing questions?

Dan: What does the label mean?
... Clarification: editorial with no normative changes.

Matt: What is the strategy to resovle?

Dan: Answer and ask if that is sufficient?

DavidC: In order to prevent confusion, some additional text is helpful.

<dlongley> ken: I'll look at David's change and see what that looks like.

<ken> I'll help review David's response.

Matt: Assign to David and let it go through normal course.
... I think we have done what we need to do. Close?

DavidC: We have forwarded our response to PING

Matt: Any new items would be new issues.

<DavidC> ken: thanks

Repo for Implementation Guide

Dan: That's waiting for me to fill out the form.
... The repo exists and people can post issues. I'll handle it today.

Matt: Thank you.

Open issues review

Matt: We have touched on some; let's see if we can resolve some.

Dan: The bar is higher for changes now.
... If a PR makes normative changes we need a new CR.
... Look at changes closely.
... If normative is in question, please discuss with chairs or Manu (editor)

Matt: Oldest issues.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+-label%3Adefer+sort%3Aupdated-asc

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/253

Matt: #253 EOL for spec
... Is this a new thing? Kaz is there a process at W3C?

<burn> eq+

Dan: There is an existing process. Manu or Dave? I thought this was a reason concerning crypto.
... Let's ask Christopher why an auto exepiration would be preferred.

Kaz: There is some procedure already and there will be some discussion at the next AC meeting.
... Specification lifecycle and procedures will be discussed.

Brent: Christopher said that he doesn't think this is an exit blocker.

tzviya: The proposal for evergreen process only affects us if we choose to adopt the process.

<Zakim> burn, you wanted to disagree (possibly)

Dan: I think that Christopher may not understand exit-blocker. If we exit, we are done.
... Then the changes he wants must be added now. I personally think this is not a concern.

<Zakim> dlongley, you wanted to say the main concern is around crypto and the crypto in this spec is informative

Dan: If needed we can amend the spec.

dlongley: I don't think we have specific crypto called out in the spec; therefore, it is a non-issue.

<brent> +1

<burn> +1 to dlongley's comment

<ken> +1

<burn> we can do a 14DayClose on this

Matt: We are a data model and we don't normatively specify the crypto.
... Can we close?

Burn: I will comment in the issue with a 14 day close.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/436

Matt: Natural language direction support.
... Chaals and manu are working on this.

Dan: Chaals will continue the discussion with internationalization grojp.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/450

Matt: Citation for oxcert

brent: I added a comment to the issue. I think the responses are adequate and think we should close.

Dan: I will add the 14 day close comment.
... It's not just that we decided that the responses are adequate. We decided that no one in the group copied or referenced their work.
... I will add comments to the issue.

Matt: Let's close.

Brent: I modified my comments to reflect that.

<stonematt> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/462

Dan: I will close.

Matt: Kind/type of credential
... Chaals has this one.
... Isn't this in the domain of the claim itself?
... Our examples are currently like an education degree. I think this is accounted for in existing examples?
... DavidC, do you think we need more?

DavidC: We can add clarifying text along the lines of Chaals recommendations. RieksJ's text is also good.

Dan: Any change to text is a CRExit-Blocker.

DavidC: I will submit a PR on this on.

Matt: We will close as soon as the PR is accepted.
... Holder signature in presentation
... I am assigned and will respond.

Dan: Mike agreed to the approach.

Matt: Last topics?
... Amy?

<dlongley> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/394

Amy: I can do a PR.

Matt: Thanks everyone. See you next week.

Dan: If you have any other concerns, this is the time.

Matt: Adjourn

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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