Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

<joanie> agenda: this

<joanie> agenda: be done

<scribe> scribe: carmacleod chair: joanie

New Issue Triage

<joanie> agenda order = 1, 3, 3, 4, 5

<joanie> agenda order = 1, 3, 2, 4, 5

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E%3D2019-01-31+

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/896

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/42

One aria issue, already triaged

no acname issues

One core aam issue, already triaged

Monthly Math(s) Accessibility Issues

Remove contents as a supported name source for rowgroup

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/896

<MichaelC> agenda order is 1,3,2,4,5

rowgroup having name from content is a bad idea because all content of a row is too verbose

Matt, Melanie agree

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/897

Matt says no downside, and author can use aria-labelledby if necessary

Joanie will merge the PR

Monthly Math(s) Accessibility Issues

Peter (pkra) will introduce monthly math accessibility discussion

First issue is idea of exposing braille labels and descriptions

<pkra> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/*-braille-properties-for-exposing-custom-Braille-descriptions\

Sina introduced the use case - math labels are ok in speech, but need shorter forms in braille

separate from aria-label

published lists of these abbreviations exist

would need something other than label if changing, e.g. Question 1 to Q1 for braille

looking for a way to containerize things, identify that it's math

joanie - as screen reader developer, do I need to know it's math?

<pkra> yay \o/

braille knows when you are entering/leaving a math area

multiple layers of translation from character encoding to braille, so interpretation depends on user, so up to author to create context

<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to mention an edge case

Neil - not just for math but for other abbreviations

Is AT going to do the translation or not, and how does it distinguish when it should?

joanie would like to take the string as-is and send it off to the braille translator

Screen reader reserves the right to translate and send to braille display

No assumption, in this proposal, that any translation should occur, and if it's in there it needs to be taken out.

Neil - instead of having aria-label-braille, if there is unicode braille, then that should be sent to the braille display

<jamesn> rrsgent, make minutes

move aria-labelledby/aria-label braille discussion to future call

<pkra> nobody reads IRC ;-)

Add new time role

Melanie - open questions about time role

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/895

<joanie> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/melanierichards/aria/pull/895.html#time

<joanie> Authors SHOULD limit text contents to a valid date- or time-related string as specified for the HTML time element.

Melanie - is this appropriate use of a "SHOULD"

Joanie - use the same text as in the html spec for time

Matt - would like to address the required owned elements question - that can contain SHOULD

Melanie - if you have a valid date/time string, then you can do things with the children (i.e. add a span that says "Next Thursday")

<pkra> can't make up my mind, sry.

if you don't have a valid datetime string then the element doesn't have element children

<pkra> sorry, have to drop off.

<zorkow> Bye.

Melanie - will add authoring guidance

Joanie - add a note similar to meter

<bgaraventa1979> sorry late for another meeting, have to drop off

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