W3C workshop on RDF and property graphs

harold: deadline coming Jan 11

Next steps for FHIR/RDF

harold: Quoxiang tried twice to get grants to prove the value of FHIR/RDF, but no yet successfully.
... I then got funding, but Grahame's comments took the legs out from under it. Without funding i can't do much on it.
... fhir.schema.org has a lot of potential. Ground swell for integrating FHIR for secondary use.
... People realizing they'll need to map FHIR model to I2B2, etc. Even if you do that, transform and reassemble the RDF, has a huge potential. But how to convince people?
... We have more leverage in secondary use community, but right now the fad is knowledge graphs.

david: if we put together some typical use case demos, like Harold's tutorial, then that could help a lot.

harold: HAPI and other FHIR servers except Grahame's don't directly support RDF. Some github projects have "help wanted" tags.
... If we could entice someone to implement one of them, that could help. Like Michael Van Der Zel.
... We occasionally have grad students asking what they can do.

<scribe> ACTION: Harold to find out if there is a posting board to look for grad student help

david: Gopi (helping on the Yosemite Project) wants to help, but is not a programmer. He's a dentist.

harold: Three targets: 1. Simplifier (formerly Furore, fhir.dev, Ewout), 2. HAPI 3. ClinFHIR.

<scribe> ACTION: Harold to ask Chris at Hopkins to see how to do this

harold: Could also ask Quoqiang. Should also ask Michel Dumontier.

<scribe> ACTION: David to ask Michel Dumontier and Michael van der Zel

harold: We still have some bugs/enhancements, and need to clean up documentation.
... Minor thing is that RDF links went missing on the FHIR site.
... WE also have the old branches on the W3C site.

<scribe> ACTION: David to check whehter old W3C material is marked OBSOLETE.

http://build.fhir.org/

harold: No mention of RDF on front page, under FOundation.
... Broken link on http://build.fhir.org/rdf.html were it says "This page and..."
... One task is to read and review this page to see what is needed.

HELP NEEDED: Read and review http://build.fhir.org/rdf.html to see what doc improvment is needed

HELP NEEDED: implement RDF in FHIR servers: 1. Simplifier (formerly Furore, fhir.dev, Ewout), 2. HAPI 3. ClinFHIR.

harold: FHIR has moved to github: https://github.com/HL7/fhir

<hsolbrig> Not sure whether it is now primary but forks and pull requests now work

Solid and FHIR

eric: Personal Healthtrain folks are most likely to use it.

harold: Same idea is popping up in many spaces.

eric: Shipping code through data?

harold: yes.

eric: Some PHT folks are shipping code around and run in secured places, and sometimes it is behind a firewall, sometimes it is virtual machine that is created and destroyed. That's a way to deal with EU data protection laws.

<hsolbrig> PHT - Personal Health Train (https://www.dtls.nl/fair-data/personal-health-train/)

eric: everybody is rah-rah about it, but PHT is not yet sharing code.

<hsolbrig> eric: not doing anything with patient control over their data

eric: They're not doing anything with patient control over their data.
... They agree that SOLID is the way to do it, but not doing it yet.
... PHT exists because of marketing, but it is realized because Mastrich and the place in Sweden are actually doing things with it, but they doing have a need for pt-faciing facility, so it won't happen until someone needs it

These teleconferences

harold: A lot of people watch them from the outside, but not joining in. Falling below critical mass. Not enough mission/direction.
... Why should people be excited about this?

david: HL7 folks asked if we'd be meeting at San Antonio HL7 meetings next week, and I said no. I don't have travel funding.

harold: Another group sort of working on this: Solid work.
... I'll be at HL7 meetings next week in San Antonio.

david: If we did have a meeting it would at least show others at HL7 that we are still active.

eric: People I know who are interested are not yet willing to talk on the record about it.

<scribe> ACTION: Eric to ask interested people to go on the record about their interest.

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