<scribe> scribe: MichielBijl
<AnnAbbott> scribe, AnnAbbott
<jongund> anyone else having trouble with WebEx?
JN: Since I took over as co-chair
<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-17%2C-2018-Meeting
I don’t feel I’ve been able to give enough time to it
I’ll be stepping down as co-facilitator
MK: We’ve invited Jemma to be co-facilitator together with me
Welcome aboard!
JK: Thank you for the opportunity and I’ll do my best!
<siri> congrats Jemma
It’s been four to five years and it’s time to step up!
<AnnAbbott> Congrats, Jemma!
<MarkMcCarthy> Huzzah!
JN: I’ll still be contributing and doing what I was doing before
But having somebody that can devote more time to it would be really helpful!
MB: Congratulations Jemma, well deserved!
<Jemma> Thanks everyone.
<Jemma> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDZdncAt_2ZYaywFlpEklRcjmcLMOnI7UU987_dYe7HI9w1w/viewform
JK: There was a request to change the meeting time
We came up with nine options
From there we’re gonna pick a time for the APG meeting
Please fill in the survey
JN: If there are more than three options that work for me can I submit more?
JK: I just changed it so that you’re able to do that
MK: Thank you very much
If we can get everyone to fill this out before the next meeting (January 7th) that would be really helpful
Jemma can you put this on the list or even individually email people like Job van Achterberg?
JK: Yes that sounds good
MK: I put today as final day for the final review
Whatever is ready today could go into final review
There will be a couple more than what we have now
The January 7th meeting is the last opportunity to get things reviewed for master
We’ll send it to Joanie after that
The schedule is to publish on January the 17th.
Right now the revised radio pattern has been reviewed
It’s already reviewed by two people and we’d like at least one more
I’ve also asked Carolyn to the review radio group
SG: you can add me to that review
<siri> Gubba / maiden name is Balusani :)
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/957
MK: Have assigned Jon, Michiel, and Ann as reviewers on the carousel PR
We will open PRs this week
For carousel example one
There will be a couple of them
Not sure we can get that all today
but certainly tomorrow
It will involve testing
Are there any people that want to review these changes?
AA: You can put my name on it
<siri> in github my id is shirsha
MB: If it’s changes that are gonna be done before the end of the week I can have a look at it
MM: I can try
CB: I think I have some time
MK: Not sure we’ll get to carousel example number two
But we’ll see how far we get
<mck> link to carousel pattern draft: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue43-add-carousel-pattern/aria-practices.html#carousel
MK: First thing I want to ask people about is the change that I made to the structure of the pattern
Instead of the default three sections I’ve added a fourth named Terms.
When we did this before they used to be at the end of the pattern
AA: Looks good to me
MB: Don’t have a preference but it looks good to me
MK: Anyone that sees this as problematic
I’ll leave it as is for now
If you’ve got comments during review go ahead and put it in your review
Siri you had a question about the description and definition?
<mck> A carousel presents a set of items, referred to as slides, by rotating, i.e., horizontally scrolling, a subset of the slides into view at a time. Typically,
<mck> one slide is made visible at a time, and rotation automatically starts when the page loads. In some implementations, rotation automatically stops once
<mck> all the slides have been displayed. While a slide may contain any type of content, image carousels where each slide contains nothing more than a single
<mck> image are common.
MK: Bryan are you able to read this?
BG: I posted comments on the list about the definition
JN: My major comment seems that we’re encouraging auto-rotation with this text
We always try to not auto-rotate carousels
MB: I agree with that
SG: I agree too
MK: Oh OK, I’ve never had success with not getting them to auto-rotate
BG: We shouldn’t avoid auto-rotation
<Jemma> Bryan's comment on the list "In addition to removing the reference to horizontal sliding, I recommend adding that these are also called slideshows, and that automatic rotation may start when the page loads, because this is not always the case that they always do."
JN: No, but we shouldn’t set it as the default
MK: How about we change it from “In some implementations, rotation automatically stops once all the slides have been displayed.” to “In some implementations, rotation automatically starts after page load and stops once all the slides have been displayed.”
JN: Yep!
MB: WFM
BG: Should we add something about visually hidden items/slides to be properly hidden?
MB: Should this even be a numbered list?
MK: The order doesn’t matter so no it shouldn’t
SG: The first three are related to auto-rotation
MB: I’d say #4, #3, then the auto-rotation ones
MK: Bryan do you have a strong preference with regards to live regions and carousels
BG: It’s not advisable to move focus away from the next/previous buttons
AA: I agree
MK: If we say how to use live regions, and say how it’s easier not to use them
SG: Could we change the wording on “horizontally scrolling”
MB: Yeah perhaps we can change it to something not orientation limited
JN: We had a different implementation where everything was available via tab
MK: If we just remove “horizontally scrolling”…
If we say “they rotate into view” would that be OK?
JK: I like that
MB: Me too
s/Too/Me too/
SG: Don’t make it more complicated than required
MB: +1
MK: We try to tell people what to do as much as what not to do
So what I’m hearing is that it’s OK if we remove the “horizontal scrolling”
All: yeah
BG: A scenario, something I see people do: in the description it says “any type of content can be added”. In a sense a carousel is similar to a wizard.
Although the interaction is somewhat
MB: Do you mean to say that people could use a carousel for a wizard?
Because I don’t think that would be an issue
BG: Don’t think we have anything to worry about no
MK: We have a wizard pattern in the works too
<jongund> I need to go now to another meeting
Would a carousel normally restart when you mouse out of it
MB: I’ve seen it both ways
BG: I generally see them where they restart after the mouse leaves
SG: Same
BG: Should there be a keystroke to stop all carousels?
MK: I’m a little hesitant to suggest that
BG: carousels can have an impact on line length for SRs
MK: I think that’s an AT issue they should work on fixing
<Jemma> mk:Recommend on region or group containing entire carousel, including controls.
<Jemma> Matches aria-roledescription guidance in ARIA spec
<Jemma> mk: read http://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-roledescription
MK: please read WAI-ARIA Roles, states, and properties for next meeting: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue43-add-carousel-pattern/aria-practices.html#carousel
<Jemma> "The aria-roledescription property gives authors the ability to override how assistive technologies localize and express the name of a role...Users of these assistive technologies depend on the presentation of the role name, such as "region," "button," or "slider," for an understanding of the purpose of the element and, if it is a widget, how to interact with it."
<Jemma> "Authors SHOULD limit use of aria-roledescription to clarifying the purpose of non-interactive container roles like group or region, or to providing a more specific description of a widget."
MK: If people would please read this and provide comments
I defined three different ones to give some variety
There is nothing about aria-live in there yet but I’ll add that
AA: Will you update when you’re done?
MK: Yes I will
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