W3C

Automotive Working Group Teleconference

27 Nov 2018

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Magnus, Ted, Mike, Ulf, Glenn, Benjamin, Hira, Wonsuk, Gunnar, Tim, Daniel, Joakim
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
ted

Contents


EV Signals

Ted: in talking to more people, our placeholder for EV signals is more glaring. I am hoping we can get one of our OEM participants to find people working on EV to provide us with starting point for signals

Daniel: I still need to work on process from BMW side by a week or two and then possibly start a proposal

Ted: as VSS is GENIVI repo we don't have to worry about BMW/W3C relationship but we could wait a bit longer for that to work out

Daniel: it might confuse things with VSS2 as well

Gunnar: there are some signals already and you can check internally if that is enough

Daniel: we have discussed internally how to model it and need to work on process part

Ulf: I tried once previously to find appropriate people within Volvo and will try again

VSSv2

Gunnar: I don't see a second branch on VSS yet

Daniel: we will create issues first in github and discuss how to tackle them

Gunnar: also up to JLR on maintenance

Ted: from JLR perspective they will be happy with VSSv1 snapshot and for us to backport new signals which I am willing to do and suspect Adam would be interested

Gunnar: I believe we have an outstanding pull request

Daniel: correct and opened a corresponding gh issue and discussed with Ulf

Ulf: I am sure we will find a solution

Daniel: type was mixed and Benjamin had a proposal to abstract that out and seeking comment from JLR

Gunnar: I am focused more on git perspective and want to see clarity on branching occur

Security

Ted: [description on tokens and tls in VISS]. as we start on v2 of VISS spec we should discuss potentially what else we should incorporate in the design
... most of my thinking in sandboxing applications and what would help in that effort that could go into a manifest would be more guidelines than in the standard

Glenn: with respect to security, there seems to be some work already taking place elsewhere to potentially draw in
... there is the open connectivity foundation work on digicert and we should keep an eye on that
... we should probably start collecting these efforts in one place

Ted: that would be helpful and will start a wiki page for that. we will likely want to coordinate with these groups and reach out to them

Glenn: US DOT and motor fleet transportation have some baseline reference work

Magnus: I have known Jonas (assured.se) for quite some time. he has been doing pen testing for Volvo trucks and know they are involved in security design documentation
... we will need to get more information from him

Ted: we are premature but want us to design in security more than applying it as an afterthought

Gunnar: agree we are on design side and not at pen testing nor PKI
... it would be inappropriate to mandate a specific cert provider and I think it is authentication for services being defined and where we can seek expertise
... certs or other on protocol
... assured.se seems to be focusing on doing tls correctly

Magnus: they have offered spec review
... they can help with authorization as well

Gunnar: makes sense and should be sure to include Patrick since it sounds like they already have something in mind that is workable

Ted: the authorization part is reminding me of the policy language discussion in the data task force, what signals an application is authorized to see, change and send off-vehicle
... Is the GENIVI Security Expert Group that Stacey Janes leading still active?

Gunnar: yes, every other week on Thursdays
... there are some high level discussions on liability, risks and non-technical topics
... there is some linux hardening taking place
... nothing near what we are discussing here
... as we moved with FASTR we involve participants from that organization

Ted: there people in the group we could potentially draw on for review as we start sketching this out more

Gunnar: more academic paper review
... I feel we should be working on the protocol now

Ted: agree we need something for people to look at, also want to avoid having it as an afterthought more an iterative
... in summary for now we will continue to seek experts to draw in at later stages when more appropriate, find outside efforts to align with, draw from policy and other work in the data task force

Spec work

Ulf: I have pushed two documents, core and transport to github on generation two branch
... we can start working on pieces in parallel

https://github.com/w3c/automotive/tree/generation_two

Ulf: I have something on being able to handle the protocol across two different transports and believe it is possible to have the payload the same on both
... I would be open for how to coordinate on parallel work

Gunnar: there a convenient way to view gh-pages on github.io, there something for this branch?

Ted: rawgit.com is gone and will look for something similar

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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