jeanne: enthusiastic and positive
comments during TPAC, and contacted by Access Board
... some concern that conformance was not further along
... received practical suggestions for rulesets and how things
can be tested vs tests themselves
jeanne: there was concern that we were just plugging wcag into silver
“silver is not a silver bullet”
<LuisG> JR we're looking at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YGwCbQ1xXILFihGl4YzHuvmiheDxtkge5V7fD7-t_sM/edit#slide=id.g4672a50df4_0_133
jeanne: this deck helps everyone
find links to learn more, dive deeper, or contribute
... flattening the structure and tagging content is the general
agreed direction for information architecture
... the WG was very interested in how wcag principles and SC
are retained. no objections on methods.
... there was a LOT of discussion on finding ways to keep the
wcag numbering. assurance was provided that numbers would be
retained as tags.
... it was made clear that the scope goes beyond web
content
<Cyborg> Did you raise issues of task-based and project/overall guidance?
john f: home automation is a good use case to cover things that are web based with an ecosystem beyond a browser
john k: agree. especially for cognitive and speech
jeanne: the information
architecture prototype is on Mike Crabb’s git hub account. uses
a functioning API but has limited bandwidth.
... the WG was enthusiastic about the goals of the plain
language prototype
... plain language style guide will be on agenda Friday
<jeanne> https://w3c.github.io/silver/prototypes/PlainLanguage2/SectionHeading.html
jeanne: it was made clear that
there is technical language that still needs work in
prototype
... the prototype itself – planning tab – emphasizes that
accessibility needs to be addressed early in a project (shift
left)
... the prototype includes links to wcag and EO content
... within the conformance prototype, the bronze silver gold
has a greater global understanding than A, AA, AAA
the conformance model is still getting a lot of great discussion
Cybelle: the methods should have 3 layers like the other 2 columns
jeanne: if we start with test (test-driven), we can discover the edge / stress cases, and THEN make a guideline that can be tested and should be easy to test
<Cyborg> This is the person who talks about Social Return on Investment (SROI) in relation to disability, who would be good to speak with about conformance: http://www.rod-group.com/meet-team
jeanne: the example test exposes
needs for user agents to meet the guidance
... similarly, authoring tools should enable setting
language
we have to define “task-based”
john f: methods in conformance need to scale
jeanne: people try to game
systems. silver conformance is vulnerable to this.
... the point system would be supported by an algorithm
... functional performance and human needs are part of
conformance, but must not have the same point values.
... the lowest score determines the total score. achieving 20
gold and 1 bronze = a bronze total.
cybelle: people that span
multiple categories of needs actually have a compound
need.
... process is as useful to consider as outcome
that may require some explicit definition. process has a very broad and ambiguous use.
<Cyborg> what i was suggesting is that with multiple disabilities, barriers can be greater than the sum of their parts. and so by only looking at individual disabilities, we can miss things.
kim: this may bias ability to score when the site is very limited in scope
<Cyborg> also cognition is so complex in terms of needs - can include so many different things
jeanne: we got interest in volunteering.
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