<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> what do we want to focus on next publication
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kvWu3PH3j7UHPZvoRkSnBbP_x4Rj5Ves3zpWqlXXS9I/edit?usp=sharing
<Jennie> Jennie present+
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> scribe: kirkwood
LS: first item is the table and
gap analysis
... this a link to the threaed you will see a link to table
that he’s done
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/gap-analysis-table-change/gap-analysis/index.html#secure-web-authentication
LS: Gap Analyis is to describe
problem and what can do to make better
... tales you can see down at bottom borke down to user needs
and what can be done to improve the usituatio and address the
user needs
... what can be done in wcag new symantics and
personlization
... Alistair took first section and took it out of table into
sub sections
... section discussions in a bunch of subsections
... authentication only had two user needs
... this document is going to get very big
... may be easier for screen readers
<steve> can I have links
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/gap-analysis-table-change/gap-analysis/index.html#secure-web-authentication
LS: it has been liearize3d
... do we preferit?
<steve> yes - much better! Especially on mobile defince in portait
LS: do we prefer it?
<JohnRochford> +1
I agree
+1
Michael agrees better on mobile too
Jeanne: think it would be a key point looks better
<EA> +1 to John's comment - much better with latest iteration
Jeanne: would discourage casual readers think it better
Keanne: not sure if we are meeting that
Keanne/Jeanne
Janina: think it is making it easier but needs some work
LS: can we folow over five headings?
Janina: is this the top level table we want?
LS: so you’d like more discussion of challenges then how technology addressses
Janina: gotta sell making the case
LS: so a different
stucture?
... take an issue, make that top level then have disussion on
issue paper here then follow how we are going to solve it
Janina: i will do my action item
after TPAC
... will work on reorder
Steve: need executive summary at beginning
EA: does that solve repetitiion?
LS: it might
... that might be the need
... maybe shelve unitl Janina’s action item after TPAC?
... Janina has the perspective of coordinating with all the
different working groups educating them to what the need
is
... the gap analysis hasn’t met the need seemingly
Steve: do we have a clear definition of what the neeed is?
Janina; the bottom line puprpse of the gap identify how the web does not work for various groups of people with various cgonitvie and leanrning disabilites. where the breakage and how can be emeliorated
LS: tyrying to do remotels is ectremely difficutl
EA: its really difficult to do it in bits
Janina: strongly agree
SL: want to know where I am in
the content
... table is harder to read
LS: adding to EA point, challeng
to come in 4 hours a week and remember where they are and get
back to it
... better gap analyis that teaches those who looking for only
half an hour can get to the info they need
... jumping around document is too much
... oedioke with cognitive disabilites, problem and
solutions
Steve: want people to say oh i get it
LS: we have shown that havent met
that
... EA point is extremely good
EA: maybe 2 days on gap analysis then 2 days on usable ide of things
EA/LS
LS: we’ve made some progress but didn’t really solve it
Janina: everything we need is there, just mater of organizing for casueal reader as EA said
JR: might take you up on that offer
EA: ofer is ther its upsetting me not moving forward
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> q
agreed!
LS: we shalll leave gap analysis
for now until Janina has a chance to look at whole doc and her
description of need meeting
... we’ll come back to Alistairs program and maybe part of big
picture
... we need a face to face
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> ACTION: lisa to scedule face to face
<trackbot> Created ACTION-295 - Scedule face to face [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2018-10-18].
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> zakim next item
ED: we had one in London and it was very successful
<JohnRochford> I think I traveled the farthest for our face-to-face in London.
<steve> probably you did!
LS: review of our documents
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#What_documents_do_we_have.3F
LS: … is the next item in our
agenda
... draft if this section in our wiki if people think
does/doesn’t meet our needs
... layer 1 background research
... Layer 2 gap analyis
... a bit missing issue paper docs i can add
SL: for gap anaysis did swe split out table?
LS: yes we put it in separate
EA: not been able to find
emotional part I can’t find it
... we have not added it to the document
LS: will add links to unfinished work summary
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> ACTION: lisa to add links to undfinshed workl to summary of our docs in wiki
<trackbot> Created ACTION-296 - Add links to undfinshed workl to summary of our docs in wiki [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2018-10-18].
LS: i did say i would find them
for you and will put them here
... Janina points out challenges section in usability have
described in research might want to put into gap analyis
... making it better section used to be appendizx to gap
analysis
MC: don’t think you should
LS: any other comments?
... anyhing else should be added to make it clearer
... part of reason stuck this first so people know what we are
talking about. pull3d out appendix and design requirments
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/separate-usable-doc/content-usable/usable.html#design_requirements
LS: the design requirments
section has link to pullout documents which has been
complicated
... why this hasn’t gone through because there are all these
little documents
... rather than having design requirments in different
documents. need to put them actually in this document
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/separate-usable-doc/content-usable/usable.html#persona
LS: EA worked on persona which is
a link, nice because makes it shorter but bit of a
problem
... propose to put them all dir3ectly into this document and
then update them and maybe pull htem out again if feel
necessary
... wanted to have design requirments as collapsable but cant
do in a normnative note
SL: wnat to make two documents?
LS: yes
SL: because doesn’t have as much weight
<janina> http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/
Janina: we can’t have
collapsable? seems we can
... this is an example where we did that
... the link is to a document that refers to a version
SL: at end of section it shows an expandable section
LS: this is exactly what I’m suggesting
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/?versions=2.0
LS: under quick ref it looks like this
SL: accordian
LS: has expandable further
down
... can to with expandable but not on DR page
... whole doc could look like a mini website
Janina: absolutely
LS: that the proposal put all
content into the usable document, maybe a bit messy but will
add an editors note about collapasable secions
... will help to get published
SL: dont want confusion
LS: agreed
... anyone have a problem with this?>
... going to happen after TPAC. Is that OK we going to merge it
back?
ED: its helpful, just do it
... its easier seeing it all in front of you
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> merging pull docs back into the useable doc
I agree!
<Jennie> +1
+1
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> +1
<steve> +1
<janina> +1
<EA> +1
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> ageda?
got items 2, 3 and 4 done, think this is a good direction
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#What_documents_do_we_have.3F
LS: try to start on time and end
on time
... making gap analyis better. meant to prublish different
versions of appendix and gap analysis. What do we want next
version to have?
... want to publish every three months
... resgtructuring of gap analyis
or tidy up user research
LS: we’ve got so much in gap
analyis and usable document
... design requirments alot are not following same
template
... user need and user testing and guidance to policy
makers
... think design requirments come first
SL: i say concentrate on design requirements first
LS: I agree
+1
Janina: let me offer something I
think reorganization of gap analysis so it hits you between
th3e eyes. I think we are not that far awy from getting that
finished
... what doesn’t change is the user need
... describing the gaps and naming them, we should be
comprehensive and publishing them would be a real benefit to
the wider W3C
LS: gap analyis is inside the W3C
Janina: i think the gap analyis is for everyone
LS: we’ve separated thaudinces
the main audince for gap analyis is for inside w3c
... design requirments are for people making webistes
SL: as an author want to know why
on earth i’m doing this
... got to tell develops why and not just what to do
LS: do we need the why in usable
doc?
... I’m ohoping we can get gap analysis moving forward
... anyone have string preference between gap analysis or the
design requirments?
... I think we should do both
SL: we have limited resources
<LisaSeemanKestenbaum> both
<steve> both - if we can resource
bith
both
<EA> both is at all possible but need more people to help
<steve> I like "bith" :)
<EA> oops if not is!
;)
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