W3C

Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

11 Oct 2018

Attendees

Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, HarrisSchneiderman, MichaelC, MarkMcCarthy, janina, melanierichards, carmacleod, CurtBellew
Regrets
James_Nurthen
Chair
Joanmarie_Diggs
Scribe
HarrisSchneiderman

Contents


<joanie> agenda this

<joanie> agenda: be done

<scribe> scribe: HarrisSchneiderman

TPAC Agenda - https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/806

jd: TPAC is here - James is managing the agenda, if anyone has concerns, please just comment. Its your last chance to purpose topics

Charter Status

joanie: nothing has changed since last week

https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/820

<joanie> No platform will be dropped out of the specification without prior consultation with that platform's owners. Every effort will be made to take member organizations' schedules into account and to ensure all platforms are included.

joanie: everyone seems to be able to "live with" the above wording. This hopefully addresses 1 of the 2 concerns
... we've reached out to the party who brought up the other concern

MichaelC: We've given a timeline. Realistically we may have to discuss at TPAC

New Issue Triage

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E%3D2018-09-27+

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/26

joanie: The first one is a 1.2 one (issue 26) - marking it as such. The reason is based on new workflow, it can go into editor spec draft but it can't go into working draft (must file bugs/get agreement)

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/24

joanie: The 2nd one (issue 24) is going to be 1.2

carmacleod: its just a matter of wording - more understood to say the "element referenced by aria-controls"

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E%3D2018-09-27+

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/32

joanie: wilco questioned this test case. Steve Faulkner - "The AAM documents what is in browsers", Joanie suggested that we need to figure out what screen readers should be presenting.
... If we can get everyone on the same page - thats what should go into the spec and thats what will get us at interoperability
... tldr; its a 1.2 issue

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/31

Joanie: still confusion surrounding this - which is why i think it should be a 1.2 issue

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E%3D2018-09-27+

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/819

Joanie: 819 has been marked as 1.2
... role=presentation on a table. What about tags within table (td, th etc)

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/821

<joanie> role="timer" has implicit aria-live=off, consider options for interval announcements

Joanie: new properties, if not critical, shouldn't go into role parity
... its not 1.2, lets reconsider it during 1.3 cycle. If we can't then it'll be 1.4

AccName

Joanie: google reviewed patches to fix issues in AccName in a SUPER timely manner. Mad props to google! Gave great feedback

MichaelC: Good things might not happen as soon as we hope...Technically we were a day short which means we could be blocked from publishing tuesday.

Michael: Hopefully there aren't any questions - its simple. Worst case scenario we have to publish a week after TPAC when we publish the 1.2 working draft.

<joanie> https://w3c.github.io/test-results/accname/

Joanie: Theres nothing platform-y about the name stuff (for the most part). Each test case has 2 passes for each UA. Wanted to have all anticipated questions asked
... It was important to AccName out the door while we still had a charter

APG ARIA 1.2 Issues for next Working Draft

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%221.2+APG+Second+Working+Draft%22

Joanie: we need authoring guidance in place
... I think we'll be able to pull it off

<carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/699

generic role

carmacleod: I just added a comment very recently...Without testing ALL the browsers (safari questions and linux questions), I think I see that div always has a role (tends to be section sometimes group). Span is never mapped, the text content is taken out of the span an thrown into parent (in a11y trees)
... I'm wondering if it just makes sense to map div to section or maybe even generic. What should we map span to?

joanie: there are times that spans are exposed (if they're focusable for example). So since they have to exist in the tree, we need a role that makes sense
... repeat the manual tests with <span tabindex=0 /> and see what we get

<carmacleod> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-div

joanie: dt = term role

<carmacleod> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#el-span

joanie: div will change from no corresponding role to whatever we decide to call this "generic" role
... for span change to "not exposed, but if it has to be exposed, its the 'generic' role". Span will often not be mapped
... making a div map to section has been proposed before...consensus was "no, because...(can't remember what the point was)"

<joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Plans-regarding-role-parity

carmacleod: sticking to the previously discussed mapping to generic?

joanie: yea

carmacleod: span is not mapped but if it has semantic content (like tabindex), its 'generic'

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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