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Regression test project update

mck: contract with Bocoup ends Oct 1
... will review that work on next week's call
... that will be this group's training call
... QA with Valerie on Oct 1
... calls for breaking examples to verify testing catches breaks
... group should review documentation

Accordion restructuring

<mck> Preview of Jon's repo with work on accordion: https://rawgit.com/jongund/aria-practices/accordion/examples/accordion/accordion.html

mck: orig issue was to get rid of dl, dd and dt
... for accordion panels
... hopes TPAC addresses being forced by validator
... jg also added some styling changes
... looking for feedback on changes

Evan: has looked at and generally likes changes except outline for FF still exists that displays extra fake focus outline

jg: will set outline: none

mck: doesn't understand first paragraph under Focus Styling - does heading look like button?

<mck> One way to provide keyboard only users information on the additional keyboard shortcuts available in the accordion pattern, is to highlight the accordion

<mck> container and the accordion buttons that the shortcuts can be used to navigate to.

jg: when any accordion button has focus, it outlines accordion structure
... provides affordance to indicate something more than just button

Evan: likes change - make it look like container has focus

siri: for button, aria-disabled=true?

mck: don't use if all sections can be collalpsed
... treegrid has documentation for three different displays
... change data attribute and reload page

jg: will work on that

mck: need separate issue for that
... wants to merge today so Valerie can write test tomorrow

siri: ensure focus indicator meets color contrast

mck: plan is to get rid of FF outline
... separate issue = allow users to choose the expand/collapse behavior of accordion on example page
... jg - please restore comments about data attributes

jg: those comments were confusing because you can't do anything with them

mck: they are for those who want to modify code

jg: ok

Toolbar proposal

mck: current example is pretty lite
... Issue #541 is to add other elements
... would like regression test to pass this week

<mck> New toolbar in progress in Jon's repo: https://rawgit.com/jongund/aria-practices/toolbar/examples/toolbar/toolbar.html

mck: asking group to review
... toolbar for edit field - styling, alignment, font size, font selection
... would like addition of checkbox and link
... better if links don't point to external page
... existing buttons - alignment buttons are coded as toggle buttons as off/on
... change to radio buttons instead but arrow nav is different
... put in popup menu?

Evan: better to have as separate unit

bg: better to have separate menus?

mck: aria-disabled on currently selected toggle button

jn: separate into individual menu items

jg: common practice so need example

jn: agrees

mck: 1) leave as is 2) aria-disabled on pressed one, 3) break into 2 or 3

aa: prefer 1 - leave as is

<siri> 3

<jongund> 1 and then 3

siri: if 1, user instructions needed

mck: more concerned with implementers using elements differently
... if pressed and activated again, doesn't change state

Future meetings and other business

October 22 and 29: No meetings due to 2018 W3C TPAC

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