<scribe> scribe: AnnAbbott
<mck> MEETING: APG TF Telecon for Sep 10, 2018
<jemma> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#alert
Issue #663
<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/663
mck: need to know should there be
any pattern that the alert gives control to dismiss?
... or disappear automatically?
... address that well and Issue #756 is taken care of
... close manually: nothing in alert role that suggests it
cannot be closed manually
... alerts should not require a user to close alert
bg: confusing with alertdialog?
mb: need to make kbd accessible if close control is included
mck: wouldn't be in tab
order
... current example doesn't close at all
bg: that's the intent
... alerts are used for problems encountered
mck: Bryan - not used for tips? Instead use 'live'
bg: if informational, don't use
alert because interrupts speech
... use 'live' and 'polite'
... can see having close button if taking up real estate
mb: MacOS has nice notification settings (without screen reader)
mck: kind of annoying because they steal focus and when they disappear, focus isn't returned to where expected
mb: get shelved in Notification Center
mck: we don't see that pattern anywhere on web, right?
mb: correct
bg: avoid any stealing focus by alerts
hh: screen readers would need to provide the feature
mck; been asking for that feature for a long time
mck: users may want to shrink or dismiss
bg: alerts should not be used as informational
mck: will have section on
alerts
... should we have 3 kinds of examples, one disappears
automatically, two persistent and cannot be dismissed, three
can be dismissed
siri: how different from nonmodal dialog?
mck: alert is within structure of
page
... could but may want to avoid having in a region
bg: if spoken automatically, would include close button
hh: close button wouldn't have to be part of alert
mck: should we have 3 examples?
hh: would be useful
mck: : have to document when to
use which version
... one activates on button press
... persistent alert next to text field alerts for max char
count
mb: shouldn't be too hard to make
mck: timing of disappearing "too
quickly"
... too vague
bg: no current guidance but suggestive based on how important it is
mck: get rid of "too quickly" if cannot give better guidance
jn: WCAG has specifics about
timing
... single A requirement
<jemma> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/time-limits-required-behaviors.html
mck: have toaster alert that disappears
<jemma> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/time-limits.html
jn: need user preference on dismissing alerts
mck: get rid of toaster?
jn: as long as used for something happened, it's fine
mck: say it is 'secondary' confirming action user expected
jn: without disturbing user
... testing co's - do you fail the alerts that disappear?
bg: depends on what's in
message
... use alertdialog if shouldn't disappear
hh: more focus on session timing and importance of info conveyed
mck; alert that disappears automatically could violate WCAG unless... to get rid of "too quickly"
mck: can point to toaster as nonessential and disappears
mb: play around to see if works?
mck: build all into alertdialog
page - already have 2 out of 4 there
... don't have good idea for one that dismisses
jg: student working on making changes
mck: pull request this week would
be great
... group needs to disucuss
... fix bugs in current toolbar or bring in new toolbar
jg: pull request by end of week
mck: accordion is next priority
jg: will look at that also by end of week
October 22 and 29: No meetings due to 2018 W3C TPAC
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