W3C

Automotive Big Data task force

23 Aug 2018

Attendees

Present
Glenn, Adam, Benjamin, Harjot, Ted, Joakim
Regrets
Chair
Glenn
Scribe
ted

Contents


Summer activity

Ted: while we have had a Summer haitus some may have furthered related work at their respective organizations and able to share with the group. I'll go first and encourage others to speak

Ted: National Association of Insurance Carriers (NAIC.org US organization with state and federal insurance regulators) reached out to me to participate in a panel for a conference they are having in California https://naic.org/cipr_events.htm
... they set requirements for insurance carriers including what data can be collected and how it is used. they also have a big data focus and we will hopefully be working together to get their perspective
... I have reached out to and spoke with Otonomo, data service provider for a number of OEM. they may start observing some calls as they too should be able to provide perspective
... Neutral Vehicle is kicking off, perhaps Glenn may want to say more
... met with someone from Volvo Trucks. heavy vehicles already have more consistency and common reporting requirements from regulators in EU and US
... some reading on policy language and talking with healthcare & life sciences data architect on why they don't use one
... hoped to have projects supported by Ford-MIT alliance this Fall, one on privacy policy and pertinent to group. looks like it will get support in the Spring but will do some preliminary work with MIT Principal Scientist and an intern or two

Glenn: Neutral Vehicle is a consortium that has been brought together to address concerns of fleet managers who handle mixed fleets
... there are considerable interoperability concerns. this will be based at the University of Colorado, led by Dr Dan Massey formerly of DHS
... other parties include DOT, UL, and fleet managers
... within the commercial vehicle space there is Electric Logging Data requirements. each is proprietary in how they handle data
... we are looking at creating a common ELD API to handle transportability of data so fleets do not fall out of legal reporting compliance if their ELD provider ceases to operate
... we are also looking at other common mixed fleet needs such as remote vehicle unlock, perhaps too much inconsistency at present for that project to go forward
... a website was created http://neutralvehicle.com

Joakim: Connected Car Consortium has been looking at standardizing electronic key for this use case

Glenn: I learned about that a couple days ago and the topic will be covered at an upcoming CCC meeting in Tokyo
... we will be looking into that. we are looking at it from the mixed fleet manager perspective

Joakim: If you need an introduction let me know, I know the director

Ted: I should reach out to them as well. it has been some time since we had someone from MS who is active in CCC attend some of our calls

Glenn: prior to break we have been discussing creating privacy use cases for consent capture
... I shared an internal document with Ted for review before sharing with the group

Harjot: as Glenn said NV kicked off yesterday
... I want to go further with data contracts when we have more on the call
... we started off agreeing on different areas: permissions, logging algorith, control and access
... where we left of last was getting agreement on what the data contract should cover

Adam: I have reached out to one of our internal data warehousing people and will send another followup

Joakim: I have been looking into a time series database engine
... we have been collaborating on a number of use cases including real time analytics on signals
... I shared some with Ted
... I have been looking at the example sparql queries from Benjamin's VSSO
... I am fairly familiar with sparql. it can handle a number of cases but some get very complex quickly
... also been thinking on EV data needs

Glenn: the US DOT Volpe center and NMFTA recently released a report on EV/EVSE concerns

public-autowebplatform@w3.org

Ted: EV has particular data needs and that would be worth covering. as an aside I think we are repeating a possible mistake with EV, combining charging and data in a single connector similar to USB.
Physical world harder to protect, including charging systems which can in turn attack vehicles. Best in my opinion would be to have all the data communication be indirect through the cloud and not to the vehicle directly.

Joakim: interesting, that case should be looked into deeper. not sure this is the right forum

Ted: agree it is probably more an SAE topic, meanwhile industry seems to be repeating USB mistake

Glenn: not sure offhand if they have a committee on this topic. US DOT Volpe, NMFTA and DOE have been looking at it
... I will share their public document with this group

[Benjamin was on a train and deferred]

Areas of focus

areas of focus

Ted: so far most of our focus has been on consent capture and data contracts with reports from Ben on his semantic web work on data model

[[

<ericP> there's always a temptation to use them to manage research access to patient data

but the challenge is that it's very difficult to put a piece of paper in front of a patient which does a reasonable job of discriminating uses of the data

<ericP> patient's typically care about one kind of disease because they or someone close to them has it

<ericP> so one piece of paper doesn't work for 6000 diseases

<ericP> if we could work out the speech acts associated with donating your data, and persuade patients to look into the future and include stuff they'll care about later, the step of capturing that in a computerized form is pretty easy

]]

Ted: clear, concise UI with simple and longer version of terms and parties receiving data
... related W3C workshop

Use case

Ted: short version, we are at junction. we have a nice simple case consent model from Dominik and Ulrich and if possible agree best to keep designs simple. I can see a number of potential scenarios that complicate it and might necessitate need for using a policy language or other techniques. we need to understand more use cases to influence our direction

Glenn: valuable and complex topic, agree with assessment and not sure where to start
... OEM, regulators, fleet managers, insurance carriers etc all have different needs
... almost need a matrix of data points and interested parties
... there will be significant overlap in collection
... I have a document to share that might help frame this
... it covers a number of the different parties and needs including suggested control and access use cases

Ted: yes, please send to the list and encourage people to provide responses and think on use cases
... I will try to get additional perspectives and next call we can review any shared use cases plus perhaps define more on the fly

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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