<jemma_ku> meeting agenda:https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/August-20%2C-2018-Meeting

<scribe> scribe: AnnAbbott

Purpose and intended effect of separators in menus

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/614

mck: Different level of support with AT/Browsers
... should separators be labeled?
... may need to update example if label for separator is important
... make it an accessible object?

<jemma_ku> +1 Jame's suggestion

bg: not focusable but works like a fieldset

<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to suggest we don't worry about this in 1.1 and concentrate on it for 1.2

jn: focus on this for 1.2

mck: change needed in 1.2 spec?

jn: see if anything from example implies change needed to spec

mck: not expected to be announced by Screen reader
... do not prepend name as hack:?

jn & mck: No

mck: for #614: do not expect screen reader to announce and do not prepend name
... coming in 1.2: use group role inside menues and label
... APG 1.2 rework example to label separator

<jamesn> GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/614

mck: affect posinset or setsize?

jn: can't affect them

aria-expanded on tabs

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/459

bg: selected is different than expanded for multi-select

mck: use aria-current instead?
... expanded tab cannot be collapsed

bg: aria-current not written into spec

mck: aria-current is global
... adjust pattern to use expanded or current?
... have no example for multi-select
... single select - don't need change to pattern

bg: agrees

<jemma_ku> I think tab pannel is single select container in terms of individual tab and its controlled tab panel.

bg: aria-select not being announced unless aria-expanded also added

mck: sounds like hack for old AT
... clean up spec to put aria-expanded on controlling not controlled element

<jemma_ku> http://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-current

mck: change when multi-select
... narrow #459 to multi-select?

<jemma_ku> http://w3c.github.io/aria/#aria-selected

bg: agrees
... authors using APG as be-all, end-all so if use case isn't included, not used
... if supported, include in example/design pattern

mck: for consistency: if element that expands also collapses, use that semantic

<jamesn> GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/459

mck: #459 is multi-selection and include example for next year

Switch review

mck: Jon submitted switch pattern and example

jg: someone else working on example

mck: example exists and links to pattern
... include in Dec release
... switches are for visual appearance

jg: could add text box so it could change

<jamesn> disabled state fails WCAG 2.1

aa: if example was functional would be more helpful

jn: change entire page?

Jemma: likes text box idea

mck: will accept pr for enhancement
... fallback role exists

jn: concerned about styling match 2.1

mck: asked jn to add to #243

jn: better if lines were black

jg: will ask student to enhance

mck: use Issue #162 for pattern

Jemma: what we have is sufficient

Input assistance (forms) pattern and example review

mck: Issue #252
... forms pattern - should be in design patterns?
... belongs in Section 3?

jg: makes it stick out more if in patterns section

jn: depends on what future plans are for patterns section

mck: plans include section for labeling/describing, section for others as needed
... wishes example was order of magnitude smaller to include things we need to teach

jg: add groups and labeling groups

mck: cover placeholders
... anything related to error handling
... don't have example of multiple error handling

jg: this example does have one error handling

mck: doesn't work for me

Future meetings and other business

no meeting Sept 3 due to US Labor Day holiday

This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.152  of Date: 2017/02/06 11:04:15  
Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/

Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00)

Succeeded: s/1.1.3/1.2/
Succeeded: s/expanded/aria-expanded/
Succeeded: s/single select container/single select container in terms of individual tab and its controlled tab panel/
Present: jamesn jemma_ku MarkMcCarthy AnnAbbott jongund MattKing curtbellew BryanGaraventa
Found Scribe: AnnAbbott
Inferring ScribeNick: AnnAbbott

WARNING: No date found!  Assuming today.  (Hint: Specify
the W3C IRC log URL, and the date will be determined from that.)
Or specify the date like this:
<dbooth> Date: 12 Sep 2002

People with action items: 

WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines.
You may need the "-implicitContinuations" option.


WARNING: IRC log location not specified!  (You can ignore this 
warning if you do not want the generated minutes to contain 
a link to the original IRC log.)