Ted: please share with the group any pertinent explorations you are undertaking
Dominik: Glenn shared his fleet management consent with us
Dominik shares screen
Data Provider | Neutral Server | Data Consumer / Service Provider | Registered Keeper / Customer
Dominik: I have started to
    include the fleet manager use case in addition to the one we
    have been descibing previously
    ... there is a third use case - this example is for a rental
    company that can provide consumer (and third parties) a ride
    log
    ... there will be a legal agreement captured by the rental
    company
Glenn: that looks like the use
    cases to explore
    ... we are a data processor and consent is required from the
    customer, the fleet manager. it is up to them to get permission
    from their employees
    ... we capture it in an EULA with the fleet manager
    ... it is a limited construct and very similar to your middle
    use case. your third one (for rental) is potentially pertinent
    when the drivers are independent contractors instead of
    employees
Ted: receiving some early
    pointers on potential work we may want to leverage, eg ODRL
    vocabulary for consent capture and PROV for data
    contracts
    ... I will be speaking to Ivan Herman, the W3C Team Contact for
    ORDL, tomorrow
    ... Glenn and I are reaching out to people in heavy vehicles to
    get their take on VSS (VISS/RSI) feasibility for their signals
    and Electronic Data Logging (ELD, us regulator requirement for
    fleets)
    ... spoke with John Schneider from Agile Delta who contributed
    significantly to Efficient XML Interchange (EXI) about his
    experiences using it to increase efficiency and reduce
    bandwidth on data transmission
    ... although we deemed transmission out of scope for now it is
    still worth learning more and he will be presenting at an
    upcoming call plus reaching out to his OEM contacts about this
    activity
    ... continuing talks with some OEM interested in this activity
    and need to reach out to a few we have communicated with around
    ISO Extended Vehicle work
Glenn: there are three main
    actors data producer, the fleet owner and data processor
    ... the processor acts on behalf of the controller and up to
    them to get consent from the data subject (driver)
    ... it can either be an employee which is more straight forward
    or contractor
    ... we cover this with our EULA and cover all the intended uses
    of the data, enumerating what information is collected
Glenn: we do not believe the data
    is owned but used and can be redistributed provided consent was
    given
    ... there are a couple other nuances in the note. it is
    simplified when just looking at the fleet compared to the more
    complex of the Caruso/Fraunhofer
    ... should any questions come up subsequent to this meeting,
    please feel free
Ted: it can get more complicated though with fleet managers leasing vehicles and bringing in contractors on a short term basis in addition to owned vehicles and employed drivers
Glenn: as a data processor it is
    not our responsibility to get the consent but up to the
    controller to get it
    ... however the leasing company collects consent is up to the
    controller
Dominik: there are more complex
    scenarios as Ted described that adds indirections that we need
    to handle
    ... how that consent gets shared among the different players is
    what Caruso/Fraunhofer are working on
    ... in Geotab's case they have an assertion on behalf of the
    controller that they have permission
Glenn: agree with what you said
Ted: it can get more complicated though with fleet managers leasing vehicles and bringing in contractors on a short term basis in addition to owned vehicles and employed drivers
Glenn: not sure, those differences may already be included
Dominik: data provider had data
    and we consider it owned by the driver and data consumer is
    providing a service to the driver that warrants access to the
    information
    ... you can always reduce to the three models on that slide and
    can handle multiple consumers
Ted: we may want to capture consent from multiple parties, fleet manager and contracted driver, since they may wish to share different subsets of information with different third parties, eg contractor with his insurance provider
Glenn: it would be a useful excercise to collect use cases and ensure all the edge cases are covered
Ted: I'll start the consent use case wiki
Glenn: I suggest having a table
    with the different actors
    ... on the issue of data ownership, I can give my view
    ... information about you is not something you own but do
    retain control from a privacy perspective
    ... there is an aspect of control but property rights do not
    apply in our opinion
    ... GDPR and laws elsewhere require consent for PII
Glenn: we had a discussion within an internal group on the constructs of data contracts. Harjot and I can start a document to represent that and would like guidance on format the group would find useful
Ted: verbose description of the various aspects would be helpful. I'll share a link on PROV
[adjourned]