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Structural roles section for APG 1.2

Milestone for 1.2 APG Working Draft 1 (https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/7)

https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/7

jn: provide guidance on first three
... when cost prohibited to totally rewrite code, add ARIA - better than doing nothing

<jamesn> Steve's first rule of aria

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/TR/aria-in-html/#firstrule

jn: would like ASAP - can modify later as needed

mck: target pull request before Thurs ARIA call
... currently has widget focus, except Section 4 (landmarks) plus more
... segment into Patterns, Guidance and How To plus Appendix
... divide guide into Structure and Patterns
... propose making last section (#9)

jn: will do pr for that

mck: no APG 1.2 branch created yet
... ok to not have Structure until 1.2?

jn: target Q42019 completion for ARIA 1.2

mck: will work with Michael on 1.2 branch set-up

jn: already done #701 but has nowhere to put it

mck: setting up 1.2 branch will take care of that

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/564

#564 aria-errormessage gets ID pointing to another place on page

mck: author MUST either remove aria-errormessage attribute OR make sure message isn't rendered
... seems unnecessary author overhead if user agent is validating

jg: working with student on inline error mssg
... aria-errormessage and aria-describedby can co-exist?

mck: confusing when they get concantonated
... doesn't think spec is super practical
... do error message and describedby need to be mutually exclusive
... error message + describedby only if significantly different

jg: screen readers can filter, correct?

mck: screen readers do not want to be in deciding position

jn: verbosity settings determine whether describedby is announced

siri: don't confuse user: describedby = instructions, error message = errors

jg: what happens if both point to same ID?

mck: don't know - spec doesn't say. Need example
... one example with native HTML (no other aria)

jg: ok

mck: : First Public Working Draft 1.2 - doesn't have guidance section

jg: can take on guidance section
... can work on guidance for treegrid also

mck: including impact today doesn't have any downside
... probably already out there in Chrome & FF

Navigation menubar updates

mck: jg created pr for #592 & #159

jg: can't put links inside other links
... sometimes link has menu item, sometimes not

Future meetings and other business

no meeting July 2, July 23, July 30

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