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<riccardoAlbertoni> hi simon, buona sera a te, here it is morning ;)
SimonCox: Background to agenda..
PWinstanley: Analysis of national DCAT-Ap is about 90% done..
<SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/31-dxwgdcat-minutes
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<SimonCox> PWinstanley: Analysis of national DCAT-Ap is about 90% done..
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PWinstanley: Describes what he has done before passing it across to Andrea etc
… In doing this, finding some of typos, case differences etc
… suggests that we could improve what exists editorially
SimonCox: If we had proper guidelines previously then that problem would be much less
… acts as evidence for guidance doument
SimonCox: This should feed into analysis for dcat revision but also profile guidelines
<SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/245
<riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/57
<SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/12
riccardoAlbertoni: Pulled together a new milestone for quality related information
… after discussion, made proposal (in github)
… (describes proposal)
SimonCox: Essentially, suggestion is to use existing DQV annotations and predicates as per example in wiki
… if quality information for a dataset is available then it can be used in the catalogue
… Where would this info reside?
riccardoAlbertoni: It could be collected in the dataset, unless we need DCAT to be selfcontained
… connecting the dataset with the dataset with the quality statement is possible but there are challenges. But there are concerns/other issues
<alejandra> Not following the audio, so sorry if you've already mentioned this, but STAT-DCAT-AP uses DQV and associates the quality to the dataset
riccardoAlbertoni: Proposal as it stands could progress with an new issue raised to cover the outstanding questions
<alejandra> this is an example from the STAT-DCAT-AP document
<alejandra> <http://qualifications.org/QualityCertificate1> a oa:Annotation. <http://nationalportal.org/data/employment> a dcat:Dataset; dqv:hasQualityAnnotation <http://qualifications.org/QualityCertificate1>. <http://qualifications.org/QualityCertificate1> a dqv:QualityCertificate; oa:hasBody <http://qualifications.org/QualityCertificate1/body>.
SimonCox: This proposal is very in line with the RDF approach, but in the real world there will be non-RDF implementations. Its that case that I was asking about
… probably doesn't need to be answered in one place - we could lay out other examples
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<SimonCox> I think we should at least say something about possible implementation patterns
riccardoAlbertoni: Examples are useful bit clearly are not limiting
<SimonCox> e.g. in-line in blank nodes, or quality statements in the the same catalog, or perhaps in a separate quality service!
SimonCox: Obviously makes sense to reuse DQV (probably for PROV as well)
… but we also need to consider cases e.g. where quality statements come from third parties
riccardoAlbertoni: Useful to go beyond the linked data perspective
<PWinstanley> Platform stability (Average Availability; Mean time to failure; Mean time to repair; Mean time between failure; etc) Platform response (Response time; Throughput; Capacity; ) Scalability (static - add more kit; dynamic; predictive;) Latency Help Desk availability (none; 9-5; 24/7)
PWinstanley: Given we are thinking of dataservices - we maybe need to think about these (above) dimensions?
riccardoAlbertoni: These kind of quality parameters can be supported by DQV (at least that's the intention)
<PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I think this is a good approach
<SimonCox> DaveBrowning: riccardoAlbertoni approach looks good in terms of expressivity
<SimonCox> ... as a publisher want to be able to make statement that dataset meets quality policy, metrics
<SimonCox> ... case of third-party assessment is interesting
<SimonCox> ... probably would be in a third place, is not 'part of' the dataset, but is third party annotation
<SimonCox> ... split between consumers and producers
<SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: different patterns are possible in architecural design, portal with UI to annotate data? or portal taking inputs from 3rd-party service - use of DQV is neutral
<Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to note that dqv:QualityMeasurement/dqv:isMeasurementOf should support assement of services as well as datasets
<SimonCox> PWinstanley: yes, need more examples now we are moving into service description!
SimonCox: Suggests we add some implementation models
… while reinforcing the use of DQV. Potentially a few paragraphs that suggest some plausible patterns
<SimonCox> suggest adding some <informative> commentary on implementation options (_not_ recommendations!)
<SimonCox> Good work riccardoAlbertoni - very clear
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Action: riccardoAlbertoni create issue to write some commentary on possible implementation patterns
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<SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Qualified-relations
riccardoAlbertoni: Leave current issue/proposal pending any last feedback, aim to approve in a week or so
SimonCox: Motivation to ensure that people on the same page etc
… provide some examples. Then describes requirements/use cases that could utilise this pattern
… provides 3 example solution patterns. Still a work in progress
… Some feedback from Andrea, mostly incorporated
… perhaps no direct action from this work todate, but suggestion is to use this material to provide solutions to the specific requirements
<riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dc/
riccardoAlbertoni: Makes sense to me. There is some relevant work - has that been taken into account
SimonCox: No, not yet
<SimonCox> thanks for reminding me of prov-dc work
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