<scribe> scribe: Laura

WebAIM survey

jim: webAIM wants to do a low vision survey.

jon: survey they do are valuble

<shawn> +1 for helping them write the survey

<shawn> reminder of related survey: http://www.tader.info/survey1304.html

jon: even indiviually could provide input.

jim: maybe invite jared to a call?

<alastairc> Start with the last one?

shawn: maybe do a draft first.

<jon_avila> https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/

shawn: last survey was https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/

jim: we have shawns previous survey too.

shawn: mine was a silghtly different focus.

jim: maybe have a group to look at the survey offline.

wayne: one of the problems is people don’t know what it is.

jon: I am aware of that.

<alastairc> It would be good to separate magnification from browser-zoom more effectively.

jon: not a reason not to do a survey.
... could still be helpful.

wayne: it is solvable but will take some thought.

jim: talk to jared and invite him to a call after we get our thoughts together.

<shawn> [ Shawn regrets for next week -- EOWG f2f after AccessU ]

jim: wonder if jared is going to accessU
... shawn and jim will try to start work on it next week if possible.
... on the Chairs call we talked about techniques.

<alastairc> The techniques tracking page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Wcag21-techniques

jim: TF’s should review them.
... working on a list

AC: TFs are part of the WG
... some are in draft forms.
... we have 50 to 60 tiles of techniques now
... Wiki page has them listed and instuctions.
... TF’s are in the best position to write those in thier areas.

jim: one is assigned to wayne.

wayne: we can drop it.

AC: okay.

Allowing for Reflow: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Allowing_for_Reflow

<jon_avila> Yes.

<jon_avila> I agree it's very hard to read in a small vertical area.

<jallan> need technique for reflow-fixed content (at top of page or floating-always on screen)

AC: sight hole.
... main way to test is at 1280

<jallan> vertical media queries to unstick fixed elements

AC: added a new technique to the page: using vertical media queries to un-fix sticky headers / footers (New, advisory)

<jallan> if height less that 400 don't fix header

jim: will add to the wiki page

jon: adverts cover content. What is our stance on this?

jim: not a failure if it blocks for everyone.

wayne: we need one on fixed content. Put my name on it.

jim: will update list.

wayne: will contact eric.

<jallan> also, need technique on flexible width form controls.

AC: Jake will be doing one on “Using media queries and grid CSS to reflow columns”

​Understanding Docs

AC: we are most of the way there. Should check reflow.
... reflow should be on next tuesdays survey.

https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/reflow/understanding/21/reflow.html

Latest survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/understanding_changes2/results

<alastairc> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2018May/0011.html

<shawn> [ Alastair: "Can you read the Understanding doc and understand it?" fyi -- EOWG will be doing that next week. :-]

<jallan> https://material.io/design/assets/172e_wQpXZN14fNFnK8SytESS_hJDn6Si/textfields-type-filled.png

AC: sent email to list yesterday

<jallan> https://material.io/design/assets/1Kezf2nmTVbQdOfNajrotDxeIKs1WlwHl/textfields-type-stroke.png

AC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2018May/0011.html
... google has w approaches.

<jallan> full article https://material.io/design/components/text-fields.html#usage

jon: it is not just the underline. but with the color combination gave it depth.

AC: if not a problem, should we reinterpret?

jon: don’t know how it affects others.
... flat design is not my favorite.

<jallan> https://material.io/design/assets/172e_wQpXZN14fNFnK8SytESS_hJDn6Si/textfields-type-filled.png

<jallan> https://material.io/design/assets/1Kezf2nmTVbQdOfNajrotDxeIKs1WlwHl/textfields-type-stroke.png

wayne: looks like input fields to me.

<shawn> [ the rounded borders look more like buttons to me :-/ ]

AC: problem is we don’t say how much of a visual boundary.

<jon_avila> Assistive elements

jon: aogathem is not perfect

s/aogathem./alogathem./

ac: can we consider one border an indicator?

<shawn> I think, yes.

wayne: lines did it for me.

jon: raised question on inside border.
... we need to work out details on this.

<alastairc> My test: https://alastairc.ac/tmp/textfields-type-filled-mo-conrtast.png

AC: perhaps need to say whatever the design is using is the visual indictcator.

<jon_avila> https://www.gofundme.com/helpedcuate150kids/donate

jon: example: go fund me page has problems.

wayne: fields stand out for me in AC’s example.

AC: need to update understanding doc in some way,
... please thing of examples this week.

s/thing of examples./think of examples./

jim: nuances we need to figure out.

wayne: maybe think of gallery of good exmples.
... not going to get agreement on failures.

<shawn> [ Shawn reminds people to get used to the WAI site redesign https://www.w3.org/WAI/beta/... it will probably go live very soon! ]

Shawn: look at the wai redesign.

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Found Date: 10 May 2018
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