CHarles: Center for Plain
language is meeting tomorrow and is going to discuss
Silver.
... they are a pool of expertise and historical legacy
perspective. They are a branch of the plain language expertise
from the US Plain Language Act. They wrote the original
criteria and created a branch that still serves that original
purpose.
<Charles> The Center for Plain Language https://centerforplainlanguage.org/learning-training/five-steps-plain-language/
CHarles: Charles will have an update on Friday
<kirkwood> not understanding what we are looking at?
<Charles> Is this a U.S. grade point system? The UNESCO standard?
Email with test results <- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2018May/0012.html
<JohnRochford> Yes, it is a U.S. grade point system.
Jeanne: Was this manually done?
JohnR: Yes
jeanne: How was it tested?
<Charles> Flesch–Kincaid readability tests * – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch%E2%80%93Kincaid_readability_tests
JohnR: I used Word's Fleisch-Kincaid grading measuring
<Charles> That method and many others are listed in my doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LPMbnOGKS4B6LIQ3_vQ0NFKK7LYUgM3TO7nCc7OOacs/edit?usp=sharing
<Charles> Dropping off the call now.
Jeanne: For our purposes, we need to use an international standard for measuring grading level.
JohnR: There are other measures. You are missing the point of the discussion which is the experiment results.
Jeanne: You are right, the
measurement system is months down the road.
... The point I would like to focus on now, and deriving what
are the principles of simplification that we want to pass on to
the editors so they can get started.
JohnR: These measurements are shallow and based largely on sentence length and poly-syllabic words.
Shawn: So we should measure this with user testing
JohnR: I am doing user tests with people with intellectual disabilities in my work. We should be able to publish soon.
Shari: What are you measuring to?
JohnR: We developed pools of users that all could read at the 5th grade level and above, and user tested to that level.
Kelsey: So are we going to use International guidelines or develop our own?
JohnR: My work is to operationalize international and national guidelines.
Jeanne: I want to propose that we
ask the plain language editors to try an experiment with the
3-5 WCAG editors and ask them to convert those 3 success
criteria to plain language.
... should we ask them each to do one, or for an experiment,
ask them to do all three so we can compare the difference?
Angela: We should do all three.
<JohnRochford> International plain language: http://plainlanguagenetwork.org/
<JohnRochford> England: http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/
<JohnRochford> U.S. https://www.plainlanguage.gov/
<JohnRochford> I should have said "UK", not "England".
project plan <- https://drive.google.com/open?id=10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiXXvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w
Shawn: Some of the projects are
clear and precise (like Plain Language), and some need more
specificity like Information Architecture
... some things are interrelated, which makes them challenging
to do.
... we want to compartmentalize the projects to work on
prototypes
... Information architecture is the shape of the information
that a site has. It's what the back end and front end have to
work together
... front end in the web browser is what you can see and
interact with
... Back end is what happens at the server, every thing that
you don't see in front of you
<kirkwood> nformation architecture (IA) is the structural design of shared information environments; the art and science of organizing and labelling websites, intranets, online communities and software to support usability and findability; and an emerging community of practice focused on bringing principles of design and architecture to the digital landscape. Typically, it involves a model or concept of information that is used and applied to activities which require
<kirkwood> explicit details of complex information systems.
Jeanne: I have been thinking of it in terms of the data fields: Statement, short explanation, long explanation, code samples, tutorials, etc.
Shawn: In my experience with web
applications and content managements systems. In every one, I
had to start with the data structure itself, and then work on
the interface.
... the scalability of the data is determined by the analysis
of what the structure of what the data could be.
... we need to nail down the requirements first before we can
start into the prototypes.
... it allows us to evaluate the prototypes as to whether guide
us toward the prototypes.
MikeC: Use the requirements as the building blocks of the prototype activities
Shawn: The only prototype that we could start moving forward now is the plain language, because the the requirements are pretty cut and dried and we know how we will evaluate that we achieved it.
Jeanne: What is the next step? I have been thinking of the Requirements document in a W3C standards sense. I have not been thinking about the requirements as a design of the prototypes.
Shawn: We need to nail down the
requirements document. We should probably start scoping each of
prototypes.
... Charles email from yesterday laid out some recommendations
for the prototypes
... we could start working on that before the Requirements
document is solidified.
Jeanne: I have been thinking about the Conformance prototype, and chatting about it with experts. I was thinking about starting to bring them together to work on it for a few weeks and nailing it down.
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to write down the requirements for the conformance prototype
<trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Write down the requirements for the conformance prototype [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-05-15].
Shawn: The Information
Architecture, the Plain Language, and the Conformance model
will be the first ones we can work on.
... we may discover that one prototype is actually two
prototypes
Next steps to get descriptions and rough goals for each prototype
Jeanne: Asking for volunteers to help with the writing.
trackbot, end meeting
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.152 of Date: 2017/02/06 11:04:15 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Default Present: shari, kirkwood, Lauriat, jeanne, Kelsey, Jennison, JohnM, mikeCrabb, Rochford, Jan Present: shari kirkwood Lauriat jeanne Kelsey Jennison JohnM mikeCrabb Rochford Jan John No ScribeNick specified. Guessing ScribeNick: jeanne Inferring Scribes: jeanne Found Date: 08 May 2018 People with action items: jeanne WARNING: IRC log location not specified! (You can ignore this warning if you do not want the generated minutes to contain a link to the original IRC log.)[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]