W3C

Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference

26 Apr 2018

Attendees

Present
Romain, Wilco, Trevor, MaryJo, Charu, Anne, Kasper, Shadi, Anthony
Regrets

Chair
Wilco, MaryJo
Scribe
Charu

Contents


Add rule groups https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/193

<Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act-rules/

<Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act-rules/rules/ACT-R1.html

<Wilco> https://w3c.github.io/wcag-act-rules/rules.html

Wilco: We have rules, but what we do not have is rule groups
... we need to build the implementation of rule groups, what we need and asign it to someone

Anne: we can close the old one as we have a new one for aggregation

Wilco: i have 3 bullets to show what we need, rules group should be contained in own pages, should have rules table and should have navigation to make it easy to navigate between rules
... we all agree we need rule groups?

Anne: Yes

Kasper: yes

<rdeltour> +1

Wilco: We need to demo so should probably build it here, the other group will need it
... Auto-WCAG group can then use it

Anne: They should have aggregation logic on pages

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/198

Anne: Rule format states any rule in the rule group passes then the rule group passes, so we need to change that in the format
... we found 2 examples in WCAG that will need that

Wilco: You are right, i would be in favor of it
... Rule groups should allow custom aggregation to pass

Roman: it will be nice to have that

Kasper: We have found WCAG SCs which does not meet the current format, signle rule pass may not meet it but 2 or more have to pass
... the aggregation logic when the rule group passes have to change

Roman: sounds good

Trevor: makes sense

Marry Jo: yes i agree

Shadi: i am wondering if section 7 should define what the rule group should look like
... since now we are including the aggregation part, it will be clear if we define that

Trevor: Do we allow rule groups in rule groups?

Wilco: No we do not want that

Trevor: Every time you create a rule, it will be in a rule group?

Wilco: Not sure on that?

Kasper: any ideas on it

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/205

Kasper: yeah there is comment to that extent

Wilco: SC are one way of grouping, it is not the same as putting every rule in a group

Trevor: do not see the need to do that

Wilco: rule groups are used to support non standard aggregation
... May be change the name to aggregation groups

Anne: or name it Non standard rule aggregation
... since it is more about aggregation not about groups

Trevor: is there any rule dependency?

Kasper: it is not so much of dependency, they can still pass on their own

Anne: One term is meter rules

Kasper: It is not really rule it is term to define aggregation logic

Wilco: i like aggrgation group, it defines it better, scopes it better

Shadi: aggregation is type of grouping, not to be picky

Trevor: i think since it is defined clearly, the name is OK

Wilco: So Ann and Kasper, would you want to take a stab at updating the rule format?

Anne, Kasper: yes

Wilco: Rule groups are about aggregation so not every rule does not have to be in rule groups

+1

Wilco: will respond to the comment

Add a glossary https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/196

<Wilco> https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/pages/algorithms/

Wilco: basic idea is to list out different terms we have defined
... we have a separate section with links to pages where things are defined
... suggestion by Siteimprove

Anne: Separate pages might be easier

Shadi: does have to have test cases

Anne: If we have deinations then we need test cases for the implementation

Wilco: test cases might be difficult, we may need framework

Anne: we just discussed on having that, have not agreed

Shadi: i have difficulty understanding how that would look like
... it will helpful to document the agreement on the implementation and if we build on that

Wilco: lets do it in 2 steps, build the glossary and then build the test cases

Shadi: ok i see, splitting might be good

Anne: agree

Wilco: Jey took the first one

Jey: i can take this one as well, may be we can automate it

Shadi: So whats the process? the key terms are defined and create separate pages for each and link them

Wilco: yes create separate pages and link them

Shadi: I am thinking about instruction on how to write a rule, it is in Auto-WCAG

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/issues/195

Shadi: We need guidance on how a rule developer would include the existing terms or include new terms and also define how the rule package is created

Wilco: I think what you are asking is to add glossary terms

Shadi: yes that is one but we also need guidance on how to author rules

<shadi> https://auto-wcag.github.io/auto-wcag/pages/design/rule-design.html

Shadi: we have a page that talks about how to create a test rule
... How to include an existing term or create new terms

Anne: We can include that in the template to guide folks to use existing terms or create a new one if needed

Wilco: ACT should do that or Auto-WCAG?

Shadi: There is implicit knowledge but it should be documented as well
... Any other community wants to start writing rules, would they know how to do that
... include in some in the rules format and more in the Auto-WCAG

Wilco: we can include that in the rules repository

Shadi: agree with Wilco to come back to the post to document

Update Introduction Section https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/199

<shadi> +1 to consistent language

Anthony: We have different terms in different places, tools in some place, in other place we refer to it as products

<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/199/files?diff=split

Wilco: we need to go through it more closely

Anthony: Are we referring to other standards other then WCAG?

Wilco: there are definitely other standards

Shadi: do we want to promote that?

Wilco: Totally, our rules can work with other standards

Shadi: it should work but do we want to promote that
... most other standards are derivatives of WCAG
... this is what i spend my time harmonizing all so not a good idea of promoting

<shadi> RGAA

Anne: If we conform to that we do conform to WCAG but does not go the other way

Wilco: i do not thing it should be tied to a standard, this document can live beyond WCAG 2.0
... ACT rules should capture best practices

Shadi: lets move forward, the initial wording had WCAG 2.0, we can leave 2.0

Wilco: ok we do want WCAG in the document

Anthony: agree

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