<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
Next Meeting: 10 April 2018
<shawn> Shawn regrets for 11 April
actually, 11 April 2018
<shawn> Here's the starting page:
<shawn> https://github.com/w3c/wai-website/wiki/W3C-WAI-Website-Redesign-Information
<shawn> *Note* on that page the "Planned Changes" and "Known Issues" (so you don't waste time commenting on them :-).
slh: beta is out
major change to navigation still planned
look under planned changes and known issues before commenting
will be mid April before changes appear
jb: what about big comments?
comments that have already been made, but people want to +1
slh: +1 them in the comment
we plan to do pretty much everything that´s been commented
jb: 3 WAI meetings, lots of web a11y presentations
trends? stuff for us to take up?
gk: Publishing@W3C presentation packed
a11ycheckerace packed
nfb authoring tools packed
pain threshold in producing epub
want Word to produce, ¨we hear you¨
certification well attended
conference program distributed in advance, put into some reading systems
many people said they liked that
Amazon said EPub 3 great input to Kindle platform
Mike Paciello has started Open Access Technology
wanted to discuss epub and ace
there was competing conference EPub Craft in TO
publishing community split
https://www.w3.org/blog/2018/03/publishing-w3c-goes-to-ebookcraft/
book industry study group
to promote epub in higher ed
need page number navigation synced with print books
remediating (a11y?) of epub
jb: publishing split?
gk: totally behind a11y
js: conference participation split
jb: in a session, accessible math and W3C potential activity came up
also heard in hallway discussion
I´m not convinced there´s nothing more (sic) W3C needs to do
gk: wanna be able to put math in titles
multiple approaches to math: LaTeX, ASCII
jb: can we figure out outside a workshop?
gk: er
jb: the question has felt intractable over the years, think only a workshop can address
which is hard to resource but maybe we gotta
what do others think?
mc: this is a by-the-way, I can´t address now
jb: JD, did Igalia host a session at a conference on this in March?
jd: Chrome still needs MathML support, Igalia could do but needs funds
I plan to attend a workshop hosted by American Institute of Mathmatics
in May
jb: educational only?
jd: yes
gk: where?
jd: San Jose
gk: would like to know more; Benetech are there
jd: already going
<lists names>
jb: can you coordinate?
<joanie> https://aimath.org/workshops/upcoming/webmath/
jd: ??? I can report back
jb: yes
CSUN keynote talked about embedding a11y into org practices
request that W3C publish in EPub
mc: MC would like to do, but need tooling to automate, and need to understand what user experience benefit is, don´t want to do for its own sake
jb: GK, tooling?
... epubcheck can build
gk: need to know how many files
need to add metadata
jb: can you send info I can pass to systems people?
gk: ok
interesting to see if having local copy of epub will lead to more usage
jb: next year, conference will be in Anaheim
possible coordination on W3C meetings at that location
<shawn> [EOWG will almost certainly want to meet around CSUN next year]
coordinate via JB to have all meetings on site if possible
khs: +1 to publishing in epub
might constrain at first which docs we do it
also, expect AG WG will want to meet at CSUN
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I meant W3C tooling for epub
mc: for epub publication, we need *W3C* tools to support
and want to be really clear we know what benefit it brings
jb: yup, W3C tool support was an unstated assumption
GK, should MC read epub to learn what the UX is in epub??
gk: EPub isn´t in epub
to explore, take a document set like WCAG 2.1 and manually generate EPub to see how it flies
jb: timeline?
gk: will check
mc: WCAG a good case study because of inter-related resources, should do guidelines, understanding, and techniques
gk: also there was idea of a a11y pledge
any type of org could take the pledge
have seen that idea floating around in various places
jb: hearing the buzz
gather that Dan Goldstein doing via USBLN
jb: pre-discussion: lots of good feedback, huge amount of content
let´s keep it short here
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Silver_Design_Sprint
js: result of a year of research with broad scope
to identify areas we wanted to address
invite diverse mix of leaders and stick them in a room for a couple days
had a specialist in Agile Moderation run it
wildly exceeded my expectations
lots of new thinking, suggestions
first day was idea generation
second day was solution prototyping
interesting ideas
we´re writing it all up now
expect to provide a more complete report soon
ack
khs: people said it was fabulous
jb: JS, you´ll report to AG WG soon?
js: yup
jb: visited part of second day
sat at each table
good discussion
nervous about the high hopes
need to manage expectations
but acknowledge creative space
js: ARIA in HTML going to CR
was split from joint work with ARIA WG years ago
promised to stay coordinated
we asked ARIA WG to review
WG didn´t but a participant did, concern that the spec has major differences from actual practice
and would effectively outlaw deployed practices
we think we may see this sort of thing more
when component of technology split into another WG
so want to think of how to stay on top
jb: I been talking with Ralph and PLH
we had opposite worry, that it was overly permissive
now hearing overly restrictive?
<Judy_> scribe: Judy_
MC: both could be true
... in some cases it could be too permissive, in other too
restrictive
... common issue is that there was probably too little
coordination
... resulting in problems
... hard to cite examples
... more time-consuming to do an after-the-fact review
... leading to this agenda.
<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
jb: have discussed many times with PLH & Ralph over past months
about concern of not specific dependencies on ARIA WG of WGs that have ARIA modules in their deliverables
Ralph & PLH seem to support this concern
what kind of dependency would work from ARIA WG perspective?
jd: would like to ask the WG the question
js: +1, just wanted to start conversation, not ready with a solution
we are rechartering, and expect it will come up again
jb: come up with a specific request asap
charters go forward all the time
when one goes forward without necessary dependency, there is higher coordination burden later
jd: for ARIA in HTML, having it standalone makes it easier to review, but the concerns being raised were there since HTML 5.0
so not supporting holding up CR
mc: thinks this was never implemented
which allowed emergence of practices that didn´t conform
if implemented, could break existing patterns
<depending whom you ask, that´s good or bad>
jb: another argument for full due diligence
<Judy_> scribe: jb
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG21/CR/scorecard
<Judy_> mc: so ag wg is collecting examples of sites to meet each of the new sc in 2.1 and also site that would conform at AA and AAA
<Judy_> ...we need 2 for each SC and 8 for AA and 2 for AAA
<Judy_> ...gathering of sites happening over the past couple of weeks
<Judy_> ...testing didn't start mostly till last week when could do hands-on orientation
<Judy_> ...see scorecard link
<Judy_> ...if higher than 2, met our target, [more detail about how to read it]
<Judy_> ...gotta evaluate 50 SC for AA and higher for AAA
<Judy_> ...walked through all of this w the WG yesterday, assigned everybody to different tasks
<Judy_> ...we have 7 of 8 AAs under evaluation need at least 1 more
<Judy_> ...probably have 2 AAAs
<Judy_> ...official deadline is this friday (for collecting)
<Judy_> ...and for evaluating as well
<Judy_> jb: clarification collecting vs evaluation
<Judy_> mc: so we will reconciliation....
<scribe> scribe: MichaelC
jb: anybody else have AA sites to offer?
gk: inclusivepublishing.org
mc: could add, don´t know if it´s viable
<Ryladog> https://inclusivepublishing.org/
gk: we can probably fix things if issues raised
also sent an EPub to AWK
this site is a hub
epubtest.org has scores on reading systems
<Ryladog> http://epubtest.org/testsuite/accessibility/
there´s a test book: #300
jb: others?
js: TPG?
mc: not in the list, could be one that couldn´t be updated in time
jb: last round, we accepted sites that might work but be slightly late
mc: need to prioritize efforts on sites likely to pass
but a site that *is* likely to pass *and* only a few days late, could probably use
gk: Publishing business group has approved work on epub 3.2 to be taken up by community group
current rec is 3.1
has backwards compatibility issues with 3.01 and 3.0
3.2 would address that
would come out as a W3C Note
publishing summit in May in Berlin
mc: CG cannot publish Notes
who publishes?
gk: CG hands over to BG
jb: we need to catch up on the publishing process wrt these groups
jb: heads-up that i'm expecting that multiple people staff-side at least will be favorable to this so assume there might be a friendly reception
mc: let´s tell everyone else what that is
js: the discussion, at APA and ARIA chair level, is that personalization not fitting as an ARIA spec
<Ryladog> +1 to that
so thinking it fits better in APA
for incubation, for eventual Rec track development by APA
APA and ARIA recharter soon
haven´t yet discussed with personalization TF facilitators
(sorry guys, MC will follow up)
khs: need wider web involvement
doing in APA supports that
personalization crosses many technologies
jb: so might also take through strategy funnel
want to ensure there continues to be strong a11y involvement, wherever it ends up
khs: some orgs getting behind, would support this path
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