Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

08 Feb 2018



JcK, Richard, Addison, fantasai
Peter, Katy
Addison Phillips


How to start this meeting without r12a

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html

CSS Text Decoration Level 3

<fantasai> Announcement: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2018JanMar/0033.html



<scribe> scribenick: addison

<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013

fantasai: disposition of comments waiting on i18n
... some closed, handful open
... only ones left

<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-16

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/839

fantasai: sometimes author wants emphasis dots on punctuation
... but then have to have a way to exclude
... in L4 add property to control what to skip
... right now only skips spaces
... reconsider?

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/gap-analysis/index.html#emphasis

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/#composition_of_emphasis_dots

<fantasai> addison: Try to do what authors want, and special cases are handled as special cases

<fantasai> JcK: mis-use of these marks is another issue

<r12a> "In practice, emphasis dots are not used for commas (cl-07), full stops (cl-06), opening brackets (cl-01) or closing brackets (cl-02)."

<fantasai> JcK: CSS use of emphasis marks could be spoofing

<fantasai> r12a: Back to the topic

<fantasai> r12a: Question is what should the default be?

<fantasai> r12a: Should be what you expect to happen, and JLREQ says skip punctuation

<JcK> @fantasai: It would be closer to my comment to say that CSS can be used in a variety of ways for spoofing (and other ways to cause user confusion). Emphasis marks are just one more case (as you pointed out)

<fantasai> r12a: I can't see any reason why you'd want to emphasize punctuation

<fantasai> addison: issue is if L4 doesn't happen soon, then no way to emphasize punctuation. Don't know why you'd want to do that, but can't do it

<fantasai> addison: making default skip means everyone gets best practice

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-cjk/2011AprJun/0051.html

addison to update issue 839

<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-17

<fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Dec/0118.html

<fantasai> r12a: Korean and Japanese use the right side by default. Chinese uses the left side.

<fantasai> https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/

<fantasai> search for "emphasis"

<fantasai> “whereas in vertical writing mode, they are usually placed to the right side of the characters”

<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-18

<r12a> clreq says: "Emphasis dots are symbols placed above or beneath characters to emphasize the text, strengthen the tone, or avoid ambiguity. For horizontal writing mode, the emphasis dots are placed under the characters, whereas in vertical writing mode, they are usually placed to the right side of the characters"

<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/#text-underline-position-property

<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-21

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/commit/f205ff9dc6b969d015aa37c710b32d3845f137c9

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/160

<fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Jun/0340.html

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1055

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1055#issuecomment-337752816


<fantasai> https://drafts.csswg.org/css-text-decor-3/issues-cr-2013#issue-29

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

<fantasai> r12a, we just closed #388

<r12a> ok

<r12a> rssagent, draft minutes

<fantasai> 433 should be closed

<fantasai> r12a -

<fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1146#issuecomment-364181581

<fantasai> we just closed 387

<fantasai> and 391

<fantasai> 432 should also be closed, added feature i nL4

<fantasai> and I think that's it for L3 issues

<fantasai> r12a: Missed an issue - wanted to confirm that underlines in Mongolian go on the right.

<fantasai> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Mar/0405.html

<fantasai> if y'all happen to have that info :)

<fantasai> otherwise we go with what we have

<r12a> hold on...

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/20

<r12a> elika https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/55

<fantasai> :)

<r12a> also https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/58

<fantasai> oooooh, nice!

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