W3C

Automotive Working Group Teleconference

06 Feb 2018

Attendees

Present
PatrickL (VW), Ted (W3C), Glenn_Atkinson (Geotab), Dirk_Schimm (Geotab), Lars_Ruebesamen (Bosch), Martin (W3C), Guru (Bosch), Graham_Watson (US DOT), Sherry_Calkins, Ulf (Volvo), Urata (Access), Daniel_Chin (US DOT), Kevin_Harnett (US DOT), Mike (Geotab), Adam (JLR), Gunnar (Genivi), PatrickB (VW), Hyojin (LG), Josh (AAA), JohnC (IFSF)
Regrets
Chair
Ted
Scribe
Ted

Contents


Neutral Vehicle

slides

Dirk: our business at Geotab revolves around data, from our European collaboration I am familiar with GDPR
... I am also the data protection officer for Geotab

Mike: Mike Branch, VP of business intelligence
... my role is looking at the data we amass (over 2B records/day) and how to leverage and apply to realtime applications

Glenn: I manage the product liability risk for Geotab which brings me into various general security discussions for connected vehicle systems

Dirk: we are presenting the Neutral Vehicle concept as part of a broader initiative
... Why are we talking about this? [slide 2]
... data is the new oil or gold, everything to a business. we are in the midst of a data rush
... various businesses and government institutions have a strong need. Andrew Grove's book "Only the paranoid survive" seems appropriate
... being cautious is highly relative

[slide 3]

Dirk: connected car isn't a new concept, it has been a reality for 15 years now
... we believe the experience we have in the commercial space is quite relevant
... it will be a cornerstone for smart cities, etc

[slide 4]

Dirk: data access through ODBII is a reality, we connect 983k vehicles this way
... large and small fleets. data is integrated into their business
... fleet safety is no longer possible without data access. road safety, traffic monitoring and so much more

Dirk: this is increasingly global with strong existing markets in EU and US and spreading to other continents

[slide 5]

Dirk: mixed fleet capability - connected solution for a fleet needs to be able to communicate across a variety of manufacturers and models
... data is needed real time especially for fleets handling emergency situations
... they need high quality and rich datasets
... data needs to be relative since there is so much cost transmitting that data
... there is a need to integrate with a host of services. here in Canada there is a current use case of monitoring salt/sand spreaders that are combating ice and ensuring coverage
... new use cases emerging constantly, there is considerable competition in providing this data and strong security concerns
... GDPR is coming in EU in May
... today an interoperable ODBII data links makes this possible
... security is a key part and cannot happen in isolation

[slide 6]

Dirk: we want security consistent and strong across the industry and do not see it as a competitive advantage
... we are active in numerous efforts and supporting standards in this area

[slide 7]

Dirk: there is a move to disconnecting/isolating vehicles and this causes concern
... challenge is to create an open and secure connected car and why we feel a multi-stakeholder approach makes sense
... an EULA for a car I own where I am not granted access to the data it generates (about me) is a concern
... it would impede innovation, collaboration etc
... we would like to be able to maintain multi-brand fleets
... we are involved in these discussions in EU and US
... what is interesting to us is how there are multiple directorates in EU who are involved in this issue, demonstrating the importance
... data is the future as is collaboration

[slide 8]

Dirk: EV space will reverse the consolidation trend we have been seeing in the industry
... there are new company names emerging
... an open information ecosystem will help large, established car companies as well

[slide 9]

Dirk: we are trying to bring together multiple parties sharing these interests
... we have had good initial feedback. people want us to be concrete in our proposal but also open to ideas which we are
... adherence to a public standard is essential

[slide 10]

“The most ambitious goals can only be achieved through teamwork.”

Jon Katzenbach

Mike: there is a much broader commitment to support connected communities

[slide 12]

Mike: we started a website on smart communities and the time is now for working on these various initiatives
... smart communities are popping up all over the place

[example of a pilot program in part of Toronto]

Mike: everything is coming together on this project, there was a $50 million testing and planning phase
... we are seeing engagement of private and public sector
... this project has underground garbage robots, keeping the city clean
... goal is to make living conditions outdoors in Toronto as pleasant as possible
... there are various model labs, building cities from the internet up
... imagine being able to have an API for your city, to be able to access things you are authorized to
... some cities are far ahead of others, Singapore for example

[slide 13]

Mike: we see the impact from connected vehicle perspective being several fold, affecting environment, operations, safety, infrastructure and mobility
... there are two different types of decisions, edge decisions where you need instanteous/realtime decisions
... those need to be handled on the vehicle itself. there is cloud level decisions looking at ride sharing, routing and other decisions that would be sounder based on aggregate data
... all of this data already exists out there at scale

[slide 15]

Mike: this map shows a day's worth of Geotab data in the US
... it is not just about capturing everything from the vehicle and make it available, you want to be able to add sensors (air quality) and capabilities (salt spreader) to specific vehicles
... we are doing considerable work with emissions evaluation with California government entities

[slide 16]

Mike: it is about understanding the pattern of the vehicle, movement, type and you need rich data to do this sort of thing
... 20-30 vehicles operating for a week you get a decent percentage of city coverage, leveraging low cost air quality sensors at scale
... we are seeing traffic camera systems that derive some valuable insight in limited locations, you will get larger insight from distributed data collection
... it can facilitate identifying parking congestion areas, cellular dark spots and tell if it is a persistent or transitive problem

[slide 19]

Mike: understanding commuting patterns, list goes on about the benefits of leveraging open data
... data can identify risky areas from accidents and other events
... you can map out these areas that can be used by municipal planning committees to improve their roads
... if ABS is going off in a specific location, that should be relayed to the local municipality as something that should be addressed (sanded)
... this is something that is highly crucial now and moreso as we move towards autonomous vehicles

[slide 20]

Mike: there are full time municipal staff simply assessing road conditions when vehicles could be collecting that information for them
... they can use that information to prioritize addressing conditions and when based on traffic patterns

[slide 21]

Mike: DSRC can interact with smart cities. there needs to be open standards for this to take place
... there are three main challenges for smart communities
... you need to do this while balancing strong privacy standards
... anonymous data attempts are often incomplete and reverse engineering/deducing can unravel that privacy
... we have seen this will military vehicles
... this can only be accomplished with strong partnerships

PatrickL: you referred to EU regulation and unclear how you plan to handle opt-in

Dirk: we are starting with commercial vehicles which based on ownership is different than consumer concerns
... there should be a consistent consumer opt-in system. our primary focus is on security at present
... we are working with leasing companies who operate in the consumer space and looking to solve this with them
... we are looking for interested parties willing to work with us on a solution
... this is an invitation to collaborate, we can contribute considerably from our commercial experience
... what we are looking for is a community wide solution that includes personal vehicles, fleets, cities

Gunnar: can you speak a bit more from the model of that? at Genivi we are working to get these audiences together
... how do you plan on setting that up and going?

Dirk: we are presenting this to leading thinkers on security standardization

Glenn: the format for advancing security is a collaborative effort with stakeholders
... the model with Neutral Vehicle is looking at the stakeholders and individual consumer needs and bringing them forward
... needs to be a mix of manufacturers, user groups, municipalities, technical solutions providers etc

Ted: my colleagues and I were wondering if we should hold a workshop on this data warehousing and sharing topic. I hoped to draw some more observers to this call from ISO20078 and others eg AAA (Josh announces his presence)

Glenn: there was a similar group at MIT to come up with security thoughts that are currently influencing standards at SAE

Gunnar: what is the title of workshop as that would make a difference?

Ted: I do not have a working title and will float ideas by email

Gunnar: no disagreement on the usefulness
... difficulty is trying to get pertinent parties together
... if there is a security focus there are some specific Genivi organizations will be inclined

John: I am interested in how this might apply to various use cases. are there considerations to use payment security methodologies

Glenn: I am not a technical expert on that topic. vehicles have limited computing capacity
... currently there are companies connecting to vehicles not using state of the art
... there should be governance to ensure compliance to security standards

Mike: there is a lack of a standardized approach

Glenn: security is not a destination, it is a journey
... a model needs consistent evaluation
... payment systems are not inadequate
... Volpe has delivered security requirements for government vehicles and has the power to enforce

Ted: how should people follow up?

Dirk: your workshop idea and we have a whitepaper at neutralvehicle.com

Ted: minutes will go out to public-automotive@w3.org, if you are interested in subscribing and not part of the group you can and contact me if you have difficulty

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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