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<scribe> scribe: AnnAbbott

<scribe> scribe: AnnAbbott

<mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/February-5%2C-2018-Meeting

<jemma> list attendees

Menubar pull requests

mck: 2 pull requests exist that need to be tested
... stability and reliability of examples is critical

jg: example from Carolyn changed what happens on hover

mck: Carolyn's is on menubar 2, Jon's is on both 1 and 2
... Jon's has 147 formatting errors so cannot be merged at this time

<mck> link to Carolyn's proposal:

<mck> https://rawgit.com/carmacleod/aria-practices/issue408/examples/menubar/menubar-2/menubar-2.html

mck: suppose to change only mouse behaviours
... test with both mouse and kbd
... if they look good, merge, then merge Jon's

<Siri> When you assign that issue to me in github, can you please forward that Nsfsiri2014@gmail.com?

mck: wouldn't changes to menubar2 also apply to menubar1?
... will send separate email to Siri
... GitHub profile is different from w3c profile, including email address

How far to go with making modal background "entirely inert"

<jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/583

Evan: issue is that fix has to touch elements outside dialog

mck; assuming it isn't sufficient to apply to layer(s) behind dialog

Evan: must be added to all DOM siblings

<jemma> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/user-select

Evan: if using native dialog element, works as expected

<jemma> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/user-select#Browser_compatibility

<evan> https://caniuse.com/#feat=dialog

mck: works as expected except in IE11
... can add 'won't fix' label for this issue
... Thanks, Evan, for time spent on issue

Outline vs. boarder for custom focus rings

<mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/402

discussion with a review of Issue 402: Menu Button Examples: Change focus indicator to use outline.

mck: advantages/disadvantages of outline vs border

Jemma: just a styling issue?

jg: uses transparent border, then when visual focus, add color
... browser handling with outline is different
... border handling is more consistent

Jemma: agrees

mck: must use outline: none to get rid of default

Evan: uses box shadows instead

jn: would be good to show different examples
... thinks anyone who finds an problem should enter issue

jg: real question is what constitute good kbd focus?

Jemma: agrees as it gives developers more flexibility

Evan: agrees
... designers usually want focus to be subtle

Jemma: primary focus is different than secondary, etc

mck: requirement seems subjective

<jemma> it is more about designer's point of view for focus

mck: probably multiple good ways to achieve and probably should have a guidance section

jg: will take a stab at it

Future meetings and other business

No meeting on Feb 19 due to US Holiday

No meeting on March 19 due to CSUN

Matt out on Mar 26; should the TF meet?

Mar 26 TBD depending on JN availability

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