W3C

Publishing Steering Committee Telco

19 Sep 2017

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
BillM, Bill_Kasdorf, George, RickJ, billk, garth, graham_, ivan, laudrain, leslie, mikebaker, tzviya
Regrets
pbelfanti, dauwhe
Chair
RickJ
Scribe
laudrain

Contents


Webex slow starting

<graham_> Who is scribing?

I’ll try

<ivan> scribenick: laudrain

point ISO question

ISO issues

George: survey question sent, built with Avneesh and Makoto

… consensus that’es the basic quesitons we’ve got right now

<ivan> George's page: https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/wiki/ISO-Standardization-Discussion

… Bill please chime in

BillM: survey has a lot info, stress on the status quo is misaleding

… there is no default

George: makoto means that Korea has already submitted an updtade to the previous TS

BillM: this has to be clarified on a legal basis

… ok to move right now but hope this point to be clarified

… survey really good

<cristina> i am here...

George: do you we want to convert this to a survey questionnaire?

BIllM: business group and pub group

Tzviya: people won’t all respond

BillM: opinion are important

BillK: answer by someone not understanding the issues my be dangerous too

Tzviya: have a phone call with involved people?

BiilM: George’s doc is the menu, now what do we want to do?

Ivan: quesiton is 3.0.1 standardiazation harmfull to 3.1?

… the question « does 3.0.1 a standrd today harm 3.1 »? dangerous option

BillK: effect on a11y stuff?

…EPB standardization less imortant than a11y standadization

<BillM> 3.0.1 becoming a bona fide IS would harm 3.1 (therefore fostering a fork in EPUB 3) and would also take a significant amount of effort and we should not support it (BillM's opinion)

<RickJ> I am back in front of a computer (and on irc)

George: a11Y 1.0 not referencing EPUB is really impossible

… We can just take that option off

… to make it generic is out of scope

<graham_> (so to be clear, the option we are talking about removing here is, er, option 2?)

… in wcag 2.1, a couple of feature , and in sliver, is long term

…on short term, a11y associated with EPUB u-is doable

BilK: 3;0.1 vs 3.1 impact on a11Y

Ivan: does the a11y spec depends on 3.1

George: generic

Graham: 5 options on the wiki, 2 can be removed

Tzviya: option 3 too

Graham: 3 out 5 options are left

George: suvey further down helps to clarify various options

… crtical is what occurs to 3.1

Ivan: reduce the survey to that question

… if it does, no 3.0.1 standardisation

…If not, no care about ISO process

Graham: do you prefer option 1 or 5 is the binary queaction?

Ivan: standardize only 3.1, option 4

… then 1, 4 or 5

Rick: 3.1 no standard if no epubcheck!

Ivan: if 3.1 is not a standard, who will put power on epucheck

Tzviya: until epubcheck exists, no consideration on a spec.

Garth: 3.1 is not going to happen?

Tzviya: no we need contribution to epubcheck!!!

… not enough developpers on it

BillM: clear on 3.1 not happening, Makoto does see japan industry need anything in 3.1

… risk of forking

Garth: it may reality

…who cares?

Garth: change the package identifier in 3.1?

… it is just one character

George: so long talking, we should take a decision

Tzviya: explanation or recommandation and vote

<Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to what Tzviya just said

<cristina> I agree

<liisamk_> +1

… build concensus with the right people in a separate call

<ivan> +1

George: sction item, Makot, Dr Cho, Avneesh, Cristina, George, Luc

<garth> Hmmm… looking at “http://www.idpf.org/epub/31/spec/epub-changes.html#sec-ocf” just chaning the package identifier (back) to “3.0” might make sense. Could resolve this ISO issue too.

George: that group to report to the SC

Next Item

dire need to lead by example...

Rick: volunteer for testing and epubcheck

Tzviya: epubchek is more dire

Rick: we can help to epbcheck

… we do have some developers

George: Ramon spent time on a11y checker

s/Romain,/Romain/

Luc: Vincent Gros is in epucheck TF

Tzviya: testing necessary to finalize the PWG spec

Ivan: we need a champion, test suite

… some members will work on implementation, but building a test suite is a huge task

… a Web Publication test suite

… when something defined in the spec should be prepared for testing

… at that moment is not a huge task, some attentive on those problems

BillM: resources Rick has time, but not enough money for the readium Fondation

<Bill_Kasdorf> how much money would be required?

Tzviya: more suggestion?

BillM: W3C is looking to do more work on spec, but doesn’t have the fund

<Bill_Kasdorf> my question really comes down to what sort of a grant or sponsorship might help solve the problem

<tzviya> asks BillK if he knows of a funder

… W3C could be doing it but with funding from elswhrer$

George: W3C testing procedure are sophisticated, it make it more diffcuelt to find people

<Bill_Kasdorf> If it would be possible for epubcheck to carry a sponsorship credit, I think we could get a sponsor. I'd be willing to approach Apex on that basis, for example.

<garth> Interesting.

Ivan: test harness complex and not well adapted to the thing we, mainly for APIs

… it give you a framework, but you have to fill i t with something: what are the testabel things, which part of the spec?

Tzviya: sponsorship form APEX?

<tzviya> i have been reading about code sponsorship because Open Source needs sustainable resources

BiiK: W3C would be happy to blog on that

s/Biik/BillM/

Ivan: we can find a solution on that

BillK: funding Ric

Ivan: to a fairly active member of the WG

Garth: interesting: a partnership

Ivan: epubcheck for EPUB4!

Garth: we are a long way to that

… not same person on epubcheck and WG testing champion

Tzviya: check with Rick on that

next items:

EPUB Summit adjacent to the AC meeting in May (in Berlin)

Events Adjacent to the AC meeting

Rick: coordination on those things, EDRLab EPUB summit?

<garth> I’ll less exicted about sponsorship of a testing chamion in the WG, than possible sponsorship for getting epubheck to 3.1 support. (but that may well be just me)

BillM: a following W3C pub summit in Europe in may?

… or wait for next TPAC?

… in partnership with EDRLab?

Ivan: met W3C head in Berlin office: he said he would have the date asap

… room reservaiton is difficult, starts asap

… AC meeting in Monday and Tuesday, and Friday is national holiday in Germany

… we should start conversation

BillK: essential on F2F for audience

<tzviya> +1 to BillK

… it is exactly the people we want to have for the F2F

Cristina: define the day : 16 and 17th of may

Ivan: that’s just after the AC meeting

… the week before is difficult in Germany

… having it on Friday and Saturday?

Graham: Publishers Forum in Berlin 2 weeks before

<BillM> +1 to managing that conflict with the Publishers Forum carefully

Graham: ealier bad idea

… Klopotek is running this conference

BillM: partnership with Klopotek?

… but it may be already planned

Graham: close but connected, may work

<Bill_Kasdorf> For those who don't know, Klopotek is the vendor of probably the leading title management system for book publishers

Rick: propose to a once a month meeting

<cristina> Publishers forum in Berlin will be on 26-27 April 2018

<graham_> For info, Publishers Forum is April 26-27 2018 (as Cristina said)

Ivan: practical thing: uninvited guest on that meeting. Please never put anything on public forum

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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