<DaveB> Actually - It DaveBrowning.....
<DaveB> Let me try that again.....
<DaveBrowning> No problem - my pc is misbehaving so it was worth re-connecting.....
<PWinstanley> +1 to antoine
antoine: remove webex password form minutes
Resolved: minutes approved, noting removal of password
<PWinstanley> Who is 'Call-in User_2' please?
roba: have made some edits to a meta-use case (UCI) around consistency of pattern in how extensions are handled.
… needs to be looked during F2F
kcoyle: F2F goal is FPWD
… plan to put in effort soon after f2f - Aug 9 deadline to submit docs to publish
… next deadline Nov 1
… please let us know when people can call in.
<kcoyle> rrsagent make logs public
<Makx> I thought they only appeared after the meeting is over?
<Makx> yes I can see them
<Makx> just reload page
<kcoyle> i lost my sound
<estephan> Apologies webex is not allowing me to joining via audio.
Jaroslav_Pullmann: based on DCAT acceptance to date, keep DCAT simple and push extensions to profiles
kcoyle: please develop a proposal
Jaroslav_Pullmann: anyone aware of DERI work?
Makx: questions date - people have left DERI
<kcoyle> roba: schema.org may be adopting some of DCAT core
Makx: Dan Brickley has joined group - should follow up with him
<Makx> can we ask W3C to look at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat-ucr/index.html to see if it is maybe erroneously republished with a new date?
@AndreaPerego please type in ID#s
<kcoyle> ID20 now
AndreaPerego: discusses ids - and notion of dataset being quite broad
<Jaroslav_Pullmann> realted ID8, ID32
Jaroslav_Pullmann: sent round analysis of other standards use of term Dataset - all collections of data
… could be general registry
<kcoyle> roba: services may be = distributions
Makx: might not be able to limit - e.g. projects do use if for software products
<PWinstanley> +1 to Makx comment
annette_g: in BP datasets and service were able to be considered as the same thing
… need to be broad enough to include "data resource"
<Makx> +1 to annette_g
AndreaPerego: service not a dataset - but a distribution - but we do need to model catalogs (have i got this?)
<AndreaPerego> @roba, the point I was trying to make is that if we see the main notion of DCAT as the "catalogue
Jaroslav_Pullmann: solve via looking a proposal for structuring datasets - DCAT is used for finding/querying catalogues of data
<AndreaPerego> then we may be open to have records that are not just datasets
Jaroslav_Pullmann: identity and recognisability the key issues
<AndreaPerego> Thanks for correcting me, Makx
Makx: experience in Gov Linked Data WG - need to keep notional of Dataset broad
<estephan> +1 great point
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to AndreaPerego
AndreaPerego: what is missing is guidance for using specific vocabularies
<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1 to Andrea on adding guidance
<thomas> +1 to Andrea
<kcoyle> roba: this relates to meta use case on how to extend dcat
kcoyle: is there a single use case
Jaroslav_Pullmann: one use case at a meta level - with guidance
… e.g if its a datacube please use ...
<estephan> +1 Makx
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Makx
<AndreaPerego> +1 to Makx
Makx: use cases provide valid scenarios - need to deduplicate the requirements.
<MJ_Han> +1 to Makx
<Makx> let's start looking at requirements
<estephan> +1 to exploring convergence of requirements on DCAT
<AndreaPerego> I can get in touch with Simon to see what he thinks.
<AndreaPerego> I mean, about the possible merging of ID8 and ID20.
roba: What is the update cycle for FPWD
<AndreaPerego> I wonder it may be worth considering the use of the "sprint" mechanism used for SDWBP.
kcoyle: a checkpoint - not set in stone, iterations but need to constrain as these define the scope
roba: need to focus on getting higher level Use Cases with requirements, otherwise hard to know if a case has been covered in the many overlapping scenarios
Jaroslav_Pullmann: move to UC being rationale for requirements
<riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to annette_g
<AndreaPerego> +1 to annette_g
annette_g: need to make sure we dont start with requirements - but derive these from UC
<MJ_Han> +1 to annette_g
annette_g: suggests editing of UC to this effect
kcoyle: how do we do this?
<antoine_> I suggest Annette or any other volunteer to flag where a use case is too requirement-orented, so that this can be discussed in the UC discussion at the F2F
annette_g: identify specific datasets in UC?
<estephan> +1 for actual datasets or examples that use cases can point to annette_g
<estephan> why -1
Those sound like "Use Case Scenarios" not Use Cases"
<Makx> -1 because I think most use cases are quite clear as they are
<estephan> thanks for the exploration, can these use cases point to examples makx?
Jaroslav_Pullmann: make sure we capture limitations of DCAT in problem statements, from stakeholder perspectives
<annette_g> I don't see "what does dataset mean" as a use case
<thomas> sorry; have to leave now - good discussion; maybe we should start with defining the final goal next week?
<estephan> +1 sounds good
kcoyle: prioritise thise in F2F - everyone left agrees
<estephan> take care and safe travels everyone
<Makx> looking forward to connecting next week for most of the two days
<riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all bye
<LarsG> thanks, bye
<AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!