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<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
<clown> issue-676?
<trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
JS: I think I've finished
this.
... Jason Kiss wanted a while back to add interfaces and
actions, etc.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7f24960932ec3d60f5aa96e3f0f45a14d74a8e69
JS: MSAA+IA2 was the only one
left. I'd been working on it over the past month.
... I've merged it all (squashed) at the URL above.
... The last thing we were talking about is Selection.
... Turned out it was part of IAccessible.
... I've added Selection to the roles where it belonged, such
as grid.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-grid
JS: If you look at the MSAA + IA2 row, the last of the three bullet points.
"Methods IAccessible::accSelect() and IAccessible::get_accSelection()"
BG: Makes sense to me.
JS: I think you'll see it on
listbox, menu, menubar, tablist, and treegrid
... And tree
... Basically any role that supports selection gets those.
BG: (Asks about state-change events)
JS: Listbox supports selection.
BG: If you have a listbox that's controlled by an input, but role of combobox, would it recognize the selection change on the listbox?
JS: The short answer is "I don't
know without testing it."
... But if the selection changes in a listbox, the listbox
should fire the appropriate platform selection-change
event.
BG: My guess is that it's not going to bubble up.
JS: I don't think events bubble up in accessibility APIs.
action-2126
<trackbot> action-2126 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add actions, interfaces, and relations to the msaa+ia2 mappings. -- due 2016-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2126
JS: I want to say that this
action is done and mark it closed.
... I will follow up via email to Jason Kiss and give him the
final word.
... Objections?
BG: Nope
<clown> action-2121
<trackbot> action-2121 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due 2016-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
JS: I'm hoping we can close this
one too.
... I've made the changes we discussed last week.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
JS: It starts at the URL above.
JD: It looks great. I have one
question, however.
... In the "Select or deselect many items at once" row,
allowing user agents to fire one object:selection-changed for
performance, but still requiring object:state-changed:selected
on each descendant, seems to defeat the purpose.
... But I'm not sure what the right thing to do is.
JS: I'm tempted to leave it as-is
for now.
... This was already tested as part of ARIA 1.0.
JD: Fine.
JS: We can bring it up for ARIA 2.0 (i.e. when there's a large number of elements changing selected state at once)
<clown> issue-618
<trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
JS: All the actions associated
with issue-618 are now closed.
... Cynthia created a test file for it, however.
... And Michael created a tracker issue for it, but it's in
PF.
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/25
JD: I cannot see that product either.
action-1457
<trackbot> action-1457 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask Michael to create 1.1 testharness -- due 2014-07-03 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1457
JS: I will email Michael to ask about the product 25.
<clown> issue-1038?
<trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
JS: This is Microsoft's mappings for several roles.
BG: Do we have a Microsoft rep?
JS: Yes, Bogdan.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/469
JS: Bogdan's given me a pull
request (see above URL)
... Last week, Joanie and I looked at it.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/469#issuecomment-259260774
JS: They are using the
describedby array for aria-details.
... The above comment asks about aria-details and
aria-describedby collisions and whether or not they can support
both.
... (Reads Bogdan's reply)
... I take that to mean if there are both, there will be two
pointers in the describedby array, along with a full
description.
... I'm going to wait until Rich gets back.
... Rich also had comments about this pull request.
... And I don't want to pull it in before Rich has had a chance
to respond.
... Plus there are conflicts to resolve.
action-1681
<trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2016-11-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
JS: I still have to do action-1681.
BG: If someone puts role="presentation" on an svg element, is that only supposed to apply to only the element and not the children?
JS: On non-svg, it's inherited. I'm not sure about svg.
<clown> https://www.w3.org/TR/svg-aam-1.0
<clown> action-1770
<trackbot> Sorry, but action-1770 does not exist.
<clown> action-1707
<trackbot> action-1707 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Edit the AXAPI mapping table for roles presentation and none to specify that when applied to tables and lists, the children are exposed as AXStaticText accessibles. -- due 2015-09-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1707
JS: (Reads from action comment)
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133133
<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133133#c4
<li> <p>foo</p></li>
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-presentation
JD: Were it me, I'd state that
the text content is exposed through AXStaticText objects.
... And that those objects may or may not be contained in
AXGroup objects.
JS: Ok, I think I can write something up on this.
<clown> aria-2056
<clown> action-2056
<trackbot> action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
action-2056
<trackbot> action-2056 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Coordinate the mappings for the various AAPIs of the enumerated aria-haspopup values -- due 2016-06-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2056
JS: James objected to this.
<clown> action-2064
<trackbot> action-2064 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to The ATK/AT-SPI2 mappings for aria-readonly need to be updated. -- due 2016-05-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2064
JS: This one is pending
reivew
... I was supposed to change the ATK/AT-SPI2 mappings for
aria-readonly.
... I took some text from Joanie about STATE_EDITABLE and
STATE_READONLY.
... She also suggested changes to mappings.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaReadonlyTrue
JS: The above URL has the mappings. Are they correct?
JD: LGTM
JS: Can I close the action?
JD: Sure!
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