IRC log of aria-apg on 2016-11-14
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 18:00:36 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg
- 18:00:36 [RRSAgent]
- logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/11/14-aria-apg-irc
- 18:00:40 [Zakim]
- Zakim has joined #aria-apg
- 18:00:47 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 18:00:50 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 67: Develop example Accordion https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67
- 18:00:50 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 114: Issues with tabs widget code example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/114
- 18:00:50 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ issue 120: Clarify focus movement when a menuitem in a menubar is activated https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/120
- 18:00:52 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144
- 18:00:55 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 145: Review navigation menubar example (menubar-1.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/145
- 18:00:58 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 122: Draft listbox design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/122
- 18:01:00 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 131: Draft tree view design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/131
- 18:01:02 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 104: Develop examples of data grids using the grid design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/104
- 18:01:05 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Review 4Q working draft milestone and set priorities for next 2 weeks https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestone/4
- 18:04:22 [jamesn]
- regrets+ Michiel
- 18:04:30 [jamesn]
- present+ JamesNurthen
- 18:04:42 [annabbott]
- present+ AnnAbbott
- 18:05:17 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 18:05:49 [annabbott]
- scribe: AnnAbbott
- 18:06:26 [annabbott]
- Jemma asked to go first as she has to leave early
- 18:07:15 [jamesn]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 18:07:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "issue 120: Clarify focus movement when a menuitem in a menubar is activated https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/120" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:07:38 [jongund]
- jongund has joined #aria-apg
- 18:08:08 [jongund]
- Sorry I am at an airport and ready to get on a plane, so regrets for today
- 18:08:30 [mck]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/menuKeyboardOption2/aria-practices.html#menu
- 18:09:39 [jemma]
- present+ JaEunJemmaKu
- 18:11:00 [mck]
- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
- 18:11:59 [jongund]
- present- jongund
- 18:20:39 [annabbott]
- @Michiel: there is a call and JamesN is currently scribe
- 18:24:31 [MichielBijl]
- q+
- 18:25:35 [jamesn]
- <discussing Issue 120)
- 18:25:37 [siri]
- siri has joined #aria-apg
- 18:26:54 [annabbott]
- Discussion about Issue 120
- 18:27:04 [annabbott]
- MK: test language in new branch
- 18:27:06 [jamesn]
- MK: need to look at the language of the branch - provide comments after reading it
- 18:27:36 [jamesn]
- MK: language not normative - it is ok to be hybrid of platforms.. designed to be flexible
- 18:29:02 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 18:29:13 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
- 18:29:13 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jamesn
- 18:29:21 [jamesn]
- ack bi
- 18:29:29 [jamesn]
- ack Mi
- 18:29:32 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
- 18:29:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Issue 67: Develop example Accordion https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:29:39 [jamesn]
- zakim, take up item 4
- 18:29:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:29:50 [jamesn]
- & Issue 145
- 18:30:20 [jamesn]
- MK: I did 1 thing on the example referenced by 145 - modified the HTML to match the multiple example template
- 18:30:33 [jamesn]
- did't change the keyboard section - there are 2 tables which is ok
- 18:30:40 [annabbott]
- James: I can scribe now...
- 18:30:50 [jamesn]
- left the roles/properties states and tabindex szectioon in the document
- 18:31:01 [jamesn]
- hoping you can make the same update to the other exmaple page
- 18:32:04 [annabbott]
- MK: asking Jemma to make same changes to HTML in 144
- 18:32:48 [annabbott]
- AA: making editoral changes to example pages?
- 18:33:24 [annabbott]
- MK: 145 is ready for editorial review
- 18:33:48 [annabbott]
- MK: incomplete table in 145
- 18:33:49 [jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/commit/6a24c6cb196fe90cba27702603d881377e655ecd
- 18:34:11 [annabbott]
- MK: advises Jemma look at listbox table
- 18:34:58 [annabbott]
- MK: make mythical a horizontal bar?
- 18:35:06 [annabbott]
- Jemma; would look at it
- 18:35:36 [annabbott]
- JN: Matt- have you ever seen a vertical menu bar?
- 18:38:12 [annabbott]
- Bryan: only allowing when enter/space do same thing and arrow keys something else
- 18:38:24 [annabbott]
- Bryan: and container shouldn't matter
- 18:38:53 [annabbott]
- MK: make example and can figure out what words to put around it
- 18:39:17 [annabbott]
- zakim, take up issue 1
- 18:39:17 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'take up issue 1', annabbott
- 18:39:21 [jamesn]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 18:39:21 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Issue 67: Develop example Accordion https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:39:22 [jemma]
- ok I will see what I can do
- 18:39:59 [annabbott]
- JN: file should look cleaner and removed complex, unnecessary code
- 18:40:13 [annabbott]
- JN: still a bunch of stuff remaining
- 18:41:27 [MichielBijl]
- present+
- 18:41:35 [annabbott]
- MK: MK: needs to have example where moving via arrow moves to next heading
- 18:42:07 [annabbott]
- JN: thinks we have enough for now and move that into separate issue for next APG
- 18:42:43 [annabbott]
- MK: Bryan - willing to complete template?
- 18:42:53 [annabbott]
- Bryan: will look at it
- 18:43:35 [annabbott]
- MK: just to fill in empty blanks after making changes and will send Bryan links to exact file.
- 18:43:49 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
- 18:43:49 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Issue 114: Issues with tabs widget code example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/114" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:45:10 [annabbott]
- MB: fixed all issues, looked into Bryan's comments but couldn't find, tested with Win10/IE11. So is tested. Will be adding focus for next week.
- 18:46:26 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 18:46:37 [jamesn]
- zakim, take up item 6
- 18:46:37 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Issue 122: Draft listbox design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/122" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:46:41 [mck]
- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#Listbox
- 18:47:24 [jamesn]
- zakim, close item 2
- 18:47:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 2, Issue 114: Issues with tabs widget code example https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/114, closed
- 18:47:26 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 18:47:26 [Zakim]
- 4. Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144 [from jamesn]
- 18:47:42 [annabbott]
- MK: review carefully and make comments in issue
- 18:47:43 [jamesn]
- zakim, close item 4
- 18:47:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 4, Issue 144: Review editor menubar example (menubar-2.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/144, closed
- 18:47:45 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 18:47:45 [Zakim]
- 5. Issue 145: Review navigation menubar example (menubar-1.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/145 [from jamesn]
- 18:47:47 [jamesn]
- zakim, close item 5
- 18:47:47 [Zakim]
- agendum 5, Issue 145: Review navigation menubar example (menubar-1.html) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/145, closed
- 18:47:49 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 18:47:49 [Zakim]
- 6. Issue 122: Draft listbox design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/122 [from jamesn]
- 18:49:36 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
- 18:49:36 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "Issue 131: Draft tree view design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/131" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:50:03 [annabbott]
- MK: tricky technical issue in this one
- 18:50:06 [mck]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue131/aria-practices.html#TreeView
- 18:50:59 [annabbott]
- MK: did lots of editorial clean-up but ran into one issue
- 18:51:40 [annabbott]
- MK: treeview item is parent and can have children, spec sounds like children must be contained/owned by parent.
- 18:51:55 [annabbott]
- MK: using group
- 18:52:13 [annabbott]
- MK: spec doesn't call for same for menu
- 18:54:22 [annabbott]
- MK: JN - if grouping is missing, users don't get posinset, setsize, etc
- 18:54:59 [jamesn]
- "Each element with role treeitem that serves as a parent node has either aria-label or aria-labelledby set to specify a label. Otherwise, the parent node will be labeled by the text content of all child elements."
- 18:55:06 [annabbott]
- MK: added need for aria-label or aria-labelledby on each parent
- 18:56:34 [annabbott]
- AA: suggest "to reduce verbosity"
- 18:57:40 [annabbott]
- MK: will enhance that bullet
- 18:58:25 [annabbott]
- MK: made separate branch to make comparison easier
- 19:00:14 [annabbott]
- MK: list of 5 notes should be under kbd section
- 19:01:27 [annabbott]
- JN: list appears at end of kbd section
- 19:02:16 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 19:03:04 [annabbott]
- MK: data grids is ready for review
- 19:07:17 [annabbott]
- MK: review priority issue 131 treeview, issue 122 listbox, issue 104 data grids, issue 145 navigation menubar, issue 120 menu kbd guidance, issue 67 accordion, tabs example page (if comment, reopen issue 114)
- 19:09:40 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make log world
- 19:09:48 [annabbott]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 19:09:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/14-aria-apg-minutes.html annabbott
- 19:10:00 [jamesn]
- zakim, please go away
- 19:10:00 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'please go away', jamesn
- 19:10:09 [jamesn]
- zakim, please part
- 19:10:09 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JamesNurthen, AnnAbbott, JaEunJemmaKu, MichielBijl
- 19:10:09 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #aria-apg
- 19:10:17 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 19:10:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/14-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
- 19:10:26 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, please part
- 19:10:26 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items