W3C

WCAG Accessibility Conformance Testing (ACT) Task Force

08 Sep 2016

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Wilco_Fiers, Alistair_Garrison, Charu_Pandhi, Jon_Gunderson, Mike_Scott, Rob_Fentress, Shadi_Abou-Zahra, Lori_Lane, David_ONeill, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Romain_Deltour
Regrets
Chair
Wilco
Scribe
Shadi

Contents


Tooling Introduction Next Week

Wilco: task force tools setup
... want to have a call next week to introduce new participants to these tools

<Ryladog> Sorry I will be on a plane at that time

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/

<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/

<Wilco> shadi: please see the information on the conformance testing homepage

Meeting Time for ACT TF

Wilco: plan is to have weekly meetings for ACT TF
... need to determine possible times
... either Thursday at this time, or same time on Wednesday
... preference for Wednesday, to avoid rescheduling auto-WCAG

Katie: Wednesday works for me

Rob: when is auto-WCAG?

<Alistair> Wednesday +1

Wilco: at this time

Jon: can you describe the relationship between auto-WCAG and ACT TF?

<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/

Wilco: ACT TF will focus on standardizing the format of test rules
... and auto-WCAG will continue to develop test rules according to that new standard

Rob: so auto-WCAG will develop a tool?

Wilco: no, the rules that get implemented by tools

Rob: how is that different to ACT TF?

Wilco: auto-WCAG writes the tools, ACT TF standardizes the format

Shadi: output of ACT TF is a standard of the rule format and the benchmark requirements
... and output of auto-WCAG is a repository of test rules
... those that pass the benchmark will be marked as such

Wilco: back to agenda - hearing no objections to Wednesday

Charu: fine for me

David: fine too

Lori: fine too

Romain: probably fine too

RESOLUTION: ACT TF will meet Wednesday from end-September onwards

Sign-Up for ACT TF

Wilco: need to register for ACT TF

<Wilco> shadi: the act tf will be a taskforce of the wcag wg, who are responsible for the standardization. they will do the validation and vatting to ensure uniform interpretations

<Wilco> ... the work will start very soon. If you want to participate, you need to join WCAG WG

<Wilco> ... there are different procedures if you work for a w3c member organization or you don't

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/

<Wilco> ... on the homepage of the act tf there is information, go to 'how to participate'. there is a link to wcag wg participation

<Wilco> ... if you work for a w3c member, your ac rep need to asign you to the working group. You need to let Shadi know that you want to join

<Wilco> ... also let the chairs of the wcag wg know if you only want to participate in the taskforce

<Wilco> ... if you are not from a w3c member org, there is a procedure for invited experts

<Wilco> ... this is reviewed case by case, depending on what organization you are from

<Wilco> ... We will move all activities to the ACT TF, and auto-wcag will only keep working on test rules.

<Wilco> ... You are welcome to participate in both groups.

<Wilco> David: Do I need to reapply as a invited expert?

<Wilco> shadi: I'll need to check

<Wilco> shadi: Let us look separately

<Wilco> Charu: I have to get internal permission internally as well

<Wilco> shadi: if you have any questions please email me

<Wilco> rob: question, the auto-wcag group is a CG, and it does not go through the same process

<Wilco> shadi: yes

<Wilco> shadi: depending on your organization, you may need permission, but anyone can join a community group. It is much more open and easy to get involved

<Wilco> ... we want to do the rule development in that group

Wilco: several people not on the call
... can I send them the links

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/#contribute

Shadi: suggest that link from the homepage

TPAC Meeting

Alistair: not attending in-person

Wilco: goal is to work on the requirements document

<david> regrets, conflict with usbln conference

<Wilco> shadi: TPAC is from the 19th to the 23rd of september, you can still join until tomorrow

<Wilco> ... This is an informal meeting to interact with the WCAG WG to get the group started

<Wilco> ... We'll work on the requirements to help kickstart the work

<Wilco> ... there will be remote participation for ACT participants

User Stories

<Wilco> 5) User stories: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/User_stories

Wilco: approach to help evolve the requirements
... grouped user stories into specific groups

[Wilco walks through the document]

David: like the approach and categorization
... just nit-pick on #7
... think policy makers often don't get to that level of detail implied
... likely will refer to a body of work that their team is allowed or encouraged to use

Katie: can leave it as-is
... but rephrase a "QA-lead following a policy"
... or such

David: agree with Katie
... this work relates to policy but not policy
... agree that QA is where rubber will hit the road

Wilco: agree, QA-lead is that I was thinking about

Katie: but ensure to say "following a policy"
... QA lead not typically write policy

David: mention of policy important, though
... want to encourage use of repository

Alistair: this group is not designed to do that
... it is this group plus auto-WCAG
... suggest to drop out what is not being done by ACT TF

Katie: think keep together
... large organizations will be thinking "what is the least I could do"

Alistair: need to decide which tests are good or bad
... repository open to any contribution
... concerned about watch-keeping

Wilco: put this in because expected this discussion
... want to clarify scope
... repository will be developed by ACT but who will maintain it is still open
... will decide which get included and which not
... will need at least a set of acceptance criteria to get to REC
... need to figure how to maintain that repository

Alistair: did not realize that this is part of ACT

Jon: had trouble with Techniques on which ones get in and which not
... some get left out for whatever reason
... hope that there will be a clear process
... to ensure transparency and reduce frustration
... also to know which kind of rules should be submitted and which not

Wilco: looking at how this is done for Techniques will be important
... will come later down the road

<jongund> i need to leave a little early

Alistair: still concerned about scalability
... took me a year to get a Technique accepted
... lots of discussion
... didn't realize we are going to vet rules

Wilco: not sure we will come up with a set that is definitive
... but have a benchmarking deliverable
... still have to figure out exactly how
... will need to consider implementation time
... also manage the quantity of rules

Alistair: talking about industry consortium rather than W3C group

Wilco: don't see why

Alistair: because knock-effect on entire industry

Wilco: again, manufacturers can go beyond
... this is a minimum set that we all agree on
... document these agreed rules in a repository

Charu: reiterated that ACT will deliver framework, benchmark, and repository
... repository includes test rules developed by auto-WCAG

Wilco: rules in the repository is at least test rules we agree on
... figure out how to maintain ACT after we've solved the acceptance

Charu: trying to understand the relationship to auto-WCAG

Wilco: auto-WCAG writing rules but rules can come from other organizations as well

Closure

Wilco: please use Discussion Page to comment on these

Shadi: need to join ACT TF

Rob: next auto-WCAG meeting?

Wilco: 29 September
... same time
... next ACT TF meeting next Thursday same time

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. ACT TF will meet Wednesday from end-September onwards
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