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<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
JD: Thanks for the reminder. Haven't gotten to it.
JS: Joanie wants me to keep bringing this up.
JS: This is another such action item.
JD: Same situation. But it's getting there.
<clown> action-1533
<trackbot> action-1533 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate and possibly create a minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener with the aim of automating the 1.1 tests. -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1533
CS: Is this different from the Web Driver stuff?
<cyns> https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/05/25/accessibility-test-automation/
JD: It didn't start out the same, but it now is the same.
CS + JS: Is this action defunct?
CS: It sounds like it needs a new name then.
JD: Agreed.
JS: Suggestions?
JD: Whatever you want is fine. I'll catch up on scribing. :)
JS + CS: (Discuss new names/summary for Joanie's action item.)
<clown> Proposed new name: Use Webdriver automated accessibilty testing framework for testing ARIA
<clown> Implement Webdriver automated accessibilty testing framework for testing ARIA in ATK/AT-SPI
JD: Perfect!
... Thank you.
CS: I think we need other actions
similar to IA2 and Mac.
... Which may or may not be assigned to Joanie.
... They're not assigned to me.
... I remember Joanie volunteering for that, but she sounds
busy.
JS: I can see her doing WebKit stuff.
JD: I'm feeling busy, yes.
... If I had more time, then I'd be happy to tackle IA2 and
AXAPI.
CS: Candidates?
JD: Maybe James Teh. Though he might be busy. I dunno.
CS: Would this be something an intern could do after you (joanie) do the implementation on your platform?
JD: Maybe....
CS: Perhaps one of Jon's stufents?
JD: I like the idea. But if Jon's students lack CS skills.... Perhaps Jon could collaborate with his University's CS department.
CS: Maybe someone at UW could do
it. I know someone.
... You could assign me a recruiting action.
JS: I've created that action for
you Cynthia.
... I saw some emails somewhere about Rich giving Jon access to
AccProbe source.
JD: I think that was on the public-aria list.
JS: I use AccProbe for manual
testing.
... I ran into a weird thing... AccProbe requires Java.
CS: I ran into that too, but couldn't get it working.
JS: I finally get it worked out.
CS: I haven't.
JS: AccProbe is actually a plugin for Eclipse.
JD: This sounds familiar. I think I ran into this and got it running.
CS: Is it still in active development?
JS: No.
... The last time I got it, the date was really old.
... Like 2011. And the date hasn't changed as far as I
know.
CS: There's also aViewer from Paciello Group.
<clown> https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2013/03/aviewer-2013/
<clown> http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yweb/util/accprobe/
CS: Maybe we could get someone from Paciello Group to work on this.
+1 to that idea
CS: Steve does a lot of manual testing too, and would probably appreciate automated tools.
JS: I would appreciate an
automated tool for ATK/AT-SPI2.
... I'll start with the blog post.
CS: It's written in C#.
... But you could use whatever language though.
JD: Python!
... Anyway, I'll force some time into my schedule to look at
this during this week.
<clown> action-1695?
<trackbot> action-1695 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose UIA mapping for aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695
JS: Last week, you (Cynthia) had
a proposal for mapping aria-keyshortcuts.
... I've done the edits.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaKeyshortcuts
JS: I marked it
PENDINGREVIEW.
... The link is above.
CS: Looks good to me.
JS: I'll close the action item then.
CS: Minor editorial nit: It doesn't have periods normally.
JS: Next time I'm in there, I'll
change that.
... For the other platforms, I put in TBD.
<clown> action-1696
<trackbot> action-1696 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping of aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1696
<clown> action-1697
<trackbot> action-1697 -- Alexander Surkov to Propose MSAA+IA2 mapping of aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1697
JD: The IA2 one was provided by
James Teh on one of the mailing lists.
... I had emailed the IA2 list to see if we could agree on a
mapping.
... And James responded that he already had a property that ATK
and AT-SPI2 lacked.
<clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002008.html
JS: Reads from James' reply (at the above link)
JS: James suggested the MSAA accKeyboardShortcut property.
CS: I think that's the equivalent
of what we're doing in UIA.
... I'm 80% sure this is the same thing as what I
suggested.
... It seems right, though.
JS: I'm putting a note in the IA2 action.
<clown> "accKeyboardShortcut"
CS: Instead of using the methods, you would support the property.
JS: I'll look in the Core AAM to see if there's precedent.
CS: I think we use the shorter form (KeyboardShortcut).
<cyns> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd318540(v=vs.85).aspx
JS: I will assign this action to me as I can actually make the edit now.
JD: This is still on my to-do
list. I should probably talk to Surkov.
... The problem is that keyboard shortcuts, mnemonics, etc. are
exposed via the Action interface.
... But the Action interface actions are activatable, have
names, etc.
JS: Do you want a new due date?
JD: One week please.
<clown> action-1698?
<trackbot> action-1698 -- James Craig to Propose AXAPI mapping of aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1698
JS: Last week I created a bunch
of actions for keyshortcuts.
... And Rich says to me, maybe Joanie could do that one.
... Because she's already working on WebKit including
Safari.
JD: Sure.
... Give me a week. I will email Surkov today.
<clown> action-1706?
<trackbot> action-1706 -- Cynthia Shelly to Compose a statement regarding the "deprecation" of uia express mappings in the core-aam, referencing the aria 1.0 mapping spec. -- due 2016-03-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1706
JS: I wanted to touch base and
ask Cynthia what the status is.
... We removed the UIA Express column from the Core AAM.
... And you were going to write a statement.
... And then Alex Surkov wanted it added back.
CS: I emailed Alex and have not
heard back.
... So for now, I don't think we should put it back.
JS: Then I would like a statement from you.
CS: When is it needed?
JS: It's not critical, but it needs to be in there before we go to CR.
CS: When is our CR date?
JS: I don't know. But it
coincides with ARIA's CR date.
... First we have pseudo last call for ARIA followed by
testing.
CS: I set the due date to next week.
JS: It is not critical, but will
be nice to have.
... It shouldn't be too much to write.
CS: Agreed. It might just be a sentence or two.
JS: I saw one in there, which I was trying to figure out what it meant.
action-1707
<trackbot> action-1707 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Edit the AXAPI mapping table for roles presentation and none to specify that when applied to tables and lists, the children are exposed as AXStaticText accessibles. -- due 2015-09-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1707
JD: This looks like the same
thing we did on my platform.
... The treat-it-like-a-div stuff.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-presentation
JD: But in AXAPI, it's StaticTextRole.
JS: (Reads ATK text from above
URL)
... (Reads UIA and IA2 text from above URL)
... (Reads his notes from the action)
JD: Aha, this sounds familiar
now.
... I remember having this conversation with Chris when I made
the changes for my platform.
... Because I think I did them for the Mac too.
... And I remember having this conversation about list items
and table cells being different.
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133133
JD: So I didn't implement the
change on the Mac; I tested and questioned what I found.
... And in comment 5 of the bug, there's my findings quoted and
Chris indicating there are not GroupRole children for the list
items.
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