IRC log of aria-apg on 2016-05-16

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Zakim, this will be
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Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 May 2016
16:50:53 [jamesn]
Meeting: ARIA APG Task Force
16:52:07 [jamesn]
regrets+ MichielBijl LéonieWatson BirkirGunnarsson IanPouncey BryanGaraventa
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present+ JamesNurthen
16:52:34 [jamesn]
Agenda+ Review current revision of section 3.10 Dialog (Modal)
16:52:34 [jamesn]
Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status
16:52:34 [jamesn]
Agenda+ Review initial drafts of rewritten keyboard sections 5.1, through 5.4 in branch https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/keyboardSectionHackFest/aria-practices.html#keyboard
16:52:34 [jamesn]
For comparison, re-aranged but unedited content is in branch https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/keyboardSection/aria-practices.html
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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:57:26 [trackbot]
Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 May 2016
17:00:47 [jamesn]
Meeting: ARIA APG Task Force
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agenda?
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present+ AnnAbbott
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/16-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
17:01:22 [mck]
present+ matt_king
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present+ jaeunjemmku
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present+ jongund
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/16-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
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scribe: jamesn
17:07:08 [jamesn]
agenda?
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next item
17:08:24 [mck]
http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/
17:08:49 [jamesn]
http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#dialog_modal
17:10:38 [jamesn]
MK: do not consider this done. Did eberything that was written in the bug
17:11:05 [mck]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29303#c0
17:12:20 [jamesn]
MK: next work on this will be to combine the various dialogs into one section.
17:14:01 [mck]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/42
17:15:06 [jamesn]
MK: already started talking and would do more and bring it back. but spent time on something else
17:16:14 [jamesn]
AA: in 29303 remove note to say clicking outside focus remains in the dialog
17:16:24 [jamesn]
AA: why are we removing that?
17:16:38 [jamesn]
JN: sometimes dialogs close when click outside them
17:17:07 [jamesn]
MK: in some circumstances that is ok - and we need to not try to prevent behaviour that is ok.
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next item
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no changes on status
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agenda+ Review Landmarks examples
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zakim, take up item 4
17:23:19 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Review Landmarks examples" taken up [from jamesn]
17:23:29 [jongund]
https://rawgit.com/jongund/oaa-examples/master/examples/landmarks/index.html
17:33:59 [jamesn]
MK: remove the H2 in the navigation region
17:35:15 [jamesn]
MK: suggests creating "images" of things with landmarks highlighted
17:35:30 [jamesn]
AA: how about alt text?
17:35:48 [jamesn]
MK: wouldn't worry too much. the point of the graphic is to supplement already communictaed text
17:36:14 [jamesn]
MK: the nice thing about the examples is that they speak to people in a visual way
17:36:56 [jamesn]
JN: copyright issues i think could prevent that
17:39:01 [jamesn]
MK: Buttons should be toggle buttons
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for show landmarks etc.
17:39:30 [jamesn]
I get an error in the log
17:39:32 [jamesn]
tabs.js:1 Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined(anonymous function) @ tabs.js:1
17:39:32 [jamesn]
visua11y.js:93 oaa-tools/bookmarklets : v0.2.2 : Landmarks
17:41:56 [jamesn]
AA: The Assistive Technology tab has keystrokes for AT
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... think this could be a maintainence problem
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JG: think this is important and people need to know what happends
17:43:52 [jamesn]
JN: 1 less than current is enough
17:54:43 [jamesn]
JN: looking at the 3rd party libraries
17:55:04 [jamesn]
JN: I am ok with it - but want to make sure it is brought up
17:55:14 [jamesn]
AA: JG did you make the edits?
17:55:34 [jamesn]
AA: HTML5 example for main and multiple landmarks... description still has an issue
17:56:36 [jamesn]
AA: need to check for editorial issues
17:57:02 [jamesn]
MK: do you want to look for ways to not duplicate content from main document
17:58:30 [jamesn]
AA: don't want to move stuff out of APG
18:01:26 [jamesn]
JN: the pages need to actually have an example on them of the landmark, not just the code
18:17:17 [jamesn]
could have a "code example" region
18:17:36 [jamesn]
MK: wrap the code example tabs in a region - labeled how to code
18:24:22 [jamesn]
JG: make sure to comment on what happens in keyboard section if widgets disappear
18:24:29 [jamesn]
MK: I addressed that
18:25:08 [jamesn]
MK: 4.1,4.2 and 4.3 are relatively stable
18:25:14 [jamesn]
5.x not 4.x
18:25:26 [jamesn]
5.4 and beyond under construction
18:25:35 [jamesn]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
18:25:35 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been JamesNurthen, AnnAbbott, matt_king, jaeunjemmku, jongund
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items