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<phila> present= phila
<frans> top left?
<scribe> scribe: eparsons
<scribe> topic : last weeks minutes
<jtandy> scribenick: eparsons
<jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwbp-minutes.html
<jtandy> Proposed: approve minutes of last meeting
<jtandy> +1
<josh> +1
+0
<ScottSimmons> +1
<jtandy> (actually = http://www.w3.org/2016/04/20-sdwbp-minutes)
<josh> We're being supportive...
<frans> +1
RESOLUTION: approve minutes of last meeting (on 20 April)
<jtandy> link: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
phila Pleased with jtandy good practice of checking irc and webex participants
phila important for IPR reasions
jtandy josh, linda, phil (decorating) present on call yesterday - thanks to all
jtandy Seemed to work well, recommended as good way of working
<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Narrative_2
jtandy flooding story rewrite by jtandy link above
jtandy too techie language perhaps
jtandy Flooding emotive subject - event not prediction of flooding is relevant only
frans 2 versions really needed ?
jtandy Not tech story with links to details or details mixed within narrative are the options, tech content is really needed and important
<jtandy> ack Linda|2
jtandy DRY Don't Repeat Yourself
Linda|2 Domain language was identified yesterday as issue
josh Understandable to web and GI communities to issue
josh Matching terms needed
<josh> Example from yesterday: "spatial join" vs "mashup"
jtandy Key to avoid hydrological terms
jtandy "Real world Thing" is a useful term rather than feature
jtandy Not Happy with thing but best we could come up with
<jtandy> ack Linda|
jtandy Good talk of crowd sourcing - is the audience platform devs eg. twitter or users of platform api's
jtandy Platform devs temselves eg twitter, facebook not so different to SDI publishers
jtandy URL's to identify things good in tweets etc..
jtandy eg. what 3 words
<ScottSimmons> sorry - ScottSimmons must leave
<jtandy> "acknowledge other types of platform providers as audience for BP doc" said Frans
frans Platform devs good audience - Data Storage providers could also be interested - looking for guidance
jtandy Audience discussion fruitful - SDI providers, twitter, API builders are all platforms of sorts
josh All web server based technologies are platforms ?
jtandy The web is the one platform to rule them all
jtandy What does Spatial data on the web mean to Small publishers - links to other resources / large publishers more complex use of data
jtandy josh ? anything to add
josh similar cases - fine grained links not scalable - large is scalable
<jtandy> "APIs that add scaleability to that fine grained access" said Josh
jtandy loves josh
jtandy platonic
jtandy Our examples need to focus on data publication - first step if not published, cannot be used
eparsons Agree completely
billroberts Happy with focus on data publishers - risk we miss the step to make it easy for users of data
<josh> The goal of publishing data to enable "better mashups" means that implementation feedback is crucial.
jtandy Test the usage of data against each BP - "Is the data easy for users to access"
billroberts Usage patterns need to promote use
jtandy "web as data sharing platform"
<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Narrative_2
jtandy Linda|2 has made updates to above
jtandy Key points against 9 steps
<billroberts> what?...wakes up
jtandy First step publish flood prediction data as a coverage
<billroberts> yes I was listening
jtandy Nobody owns theis example - Bill ?
jtandy Second step Admin Areas from SDI source using proxy layer
jtandy includes CRS, precision etc
jtandy third step - web developer takes coverage data - converts to vector features
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<josh> WPS!
eparsons Is that realistic for web dev ?
jtandy Open source dev - might make an app..
josh Might use a restful service to join spatial data
<frans> Spatial joins are often needed
josh spatial join wrong language mashup is more appropriate
jtandy web dev called Helen wants to use her edge finding algorithm in javascript - so can do that
jtandy Helens vectors are very details - brings in issue of performance - need to generalise for example ?
jtandy - point taken think about better ways...
jtandy Step Four publish fixed assets, topographical features not using SDI in this case - normal web tech
jtandy SDI use case but not using SDI tech..
jtandy Step five of interest to billroberts - Figure out number of people the food covers, CSV file of peoples location converted to RDF
jtandy RDF data ingested into triple store for SPARQL query
jtandy billroberts Is this your bag ?
billroberts Almost - different tools - but census data as RDF is relevant
billroberts CSV to RDF then exposed as SPARQL endpoint but small community
jtandy Capture what billroberts does would be really useful
frans Point 5 realistic ? Census publishers often use more advanced publishing tools
billroberts 50% agreement with frans - Many do use csv however, jsonstat another common format, specific api's etc
billroberts Good Step however..
jtandy Realism is aim - BP needs to expose problems
billroberts - Too much detail would be an issue in too real examples
jtandy Not trying to build flood prevention system, details not relevant to our use of scenario
frans Something not so based on semantics, weather data might be better, not as loading with semantic problems in stats
jtandy maybe, pop broken down into groups
jtandy Step six - emergency teams use GIS to create evac plan
jtandy Take GIS analysis product and publish as html, or API for embedded use on web pages
jtandy eparsons would you work on this
eparsons yes !!
jtandy Step seven data streams - josh to take up
jtandy step eight - social media examples, twitter users advertising phone charging, Instagram users taking pictures of floods
josh links to step seven
josh IoT testbed, causing stress with SSN work however
jtandy step nine - most event SAR data cross referenced with insurance data
jtandy - makes sense ?
jtandy - Step 1 coverage data needs someone to help work on..
jtandy - Step 2 clemens
jtandy step 3 - Linda|2
jtandy Step 4 - Andrea
jtandy Step 5 - billroberts
jtandy Step 6 -eparsons
jtandy steps 7 & 8 - josh
jtandy Linda|2 had added to narrative for step 3 good example
<frans> Thanks to all the BP people!
<josh> bye
<AndreaPerego> bye
Bye