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<MichielBijl> 11 is?
<jamesn> 1) For example, source code link name in button example page should be button.css and button.js NOT link.css and link.js
<jamesn> The same for the example, checkbox-2
<jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/Mar_2016_Heartbeats/practices/examples/checkbox/checkbox-2.html
<jamesn> They should be checkbox-3.css and checkbox-3.js
<jamesn> 3) Menu example was not updated in the publication yet.
<jamesn> 4) Radio example was not updated yet
<jamesn> mck: the example page, the code refers to the correct thing but the file name on the page is incorrect
<jamesn> mck: for (3) and (4) you are saying that the entire sub directory are not merged
<jamesn> mck: would also mean editing practices to create a link to them
<jamesn> mb: can a mail be sent for how to use github to do this kind of thing
<jamesn> mk: we can discuss later.
<jamesn> mb: branched would solve this
<jamesn> scribe: jamesn
mck: Jemma to create a PR ASAP for this
https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/Mar_2016_Heartbeats
mk: want to make sure that not missing anything. got more patterns ready for examples
setting aside until get aria 1.1 combo box text final
I think we will want an ARIA 1.0 combo box and a 1.1 combo box
other than that are there any other examples that youy know of which are done but have not been reviewed
JK: Jon is working on toolbar and tabpanel
MB: tabpanel was assigned to
me
... want to look at issues - going to be looking at this at
CSUN
MK: were we going to look at what was going to be shown at cSUN here
IP: indedpendent work
MK: what is being done at CSUN
IP: MB and IP have created 2 versions of tabpanel and accordion. we have patterns.
at csun will also do some f2f tests
MK: 2 different tab panels
IP: for accordion 2 versions - discolsure vs what is currently documented
MK: do either have tab
versions
... what are the differences for the tab panel?
MB: 2 examples. 1 a simple tab panel example, the 2nd is a simplified version of the APG version where you can only tab to the active tab
JN: concerned as to how the results get interpreted based on the context
MK: curious to understand the context of the example where all of the tabs are in the tab order
MB: want to see if people associate a tab with disclousre buttons etc.
IP: questions are straightforward
<MichielBijl> scribe: jemma
take up item 2
<mck> is an element that displays a brief, important message in a way that attracts the user's attention without interrupting the user's task. Dynamically rendered alerts are automatically announced by most screen readers, and in some operating systems, they may trigger an alert sound. It is important to note that, at this time, screen readers do not inform users of alerts that are present on the...
<mck> ...page before page load completes.
mk: does the address this intent of this bug?
mb: I think so
mk: what do you think about "at
this time"
... which screen reader do not inform?
<MichielBijl> mkc: It is important to note that not all screen readers inform users of alerts that are present on the...
bb: there is confusion about when alert added.
take up item 3
mk: we have dialog and non dialog
which is clear
... if it is focusable tooltip should not it be a dialog?
bb: aria-own is rearranged a11y tree in new release in chrome and firefox
mb: now we can manupulate the dom order
mk: I am still thinking what dialog tooltip should be. if tooltip has a link it is focusable. there is no standardized key to operate the tool tip
BB: tooltip is usually overlay
icon
... to get help something
mk: point of aria is on interaction
BB: it is not desirable or necessary to trap the focus in the tooltip
mk: what do you mean by
"trapping"?
... it sounds that it act like a dialog, you open and close
it
BB: tooltip is more of giving the
contextual infor
... not trapping user actions in the tooltip
... quick thought, would it be similar to footnote?
mk: dialog requires mechanism to
open and close.
... we are talking about Hover help
... there is not standardized keyboard for tooltip
BB: this involves lots of things, marking up correctly and more...
mk: there should be a realistic
example since people will learn from the example.
... main thing is alerting screen user about presence of
tooltip and enable keyboard users to get into it.
BB: focus management and mousein/out problem in tooltip
mk: short key for element can be
used but short cut key is adjacent to overlay. how would you
say to screen readers that this short key is related to
tooltip?
... some ui do not use separate icon and it is not in the tab
order
if tooltip has separate focusable icon, then it is easy
mk: in that case, we may just refer back to dialog pattern.
take up item 4
mk: we wanted to tap panel as
tab
... will create a bug for this
<mck> the label/title area of the tab panel. This is where you click to activate a tab panel
<mck> The element in a tablist that serves as the title for one of the tabpanels
<mck> The element in a tablist that serves as the title for one of the tabpanels. Activating a tab displays a tabpanel.
mk: the way we address
orientation in ARIA - like in tool bar should be used here
too?
... see the example,
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#toolbar
for vertical orientation
mk: we should be consistent in
the pattern
... will create a bug about tab panel including
orientation.
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