<scribe> scribenick: padler

David: reviewing agenda..

dezell: anyone else have any changes?

Ryladog: Are we going to discuss call schedule and how many there will be?

dezell: email on that topic has gone out though there has not been a decision yet..

Teleconference schedule

<manu> manu: +1 for eliminating the Friday calls.

dezell: proposal is to keep thursday time and move away from friday meeting for now..

<AdrianHB> +1 for eliminating friday (and thursday post-WG formation)

<dezell> Agenda:

<dezell> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments-ig/2015Aug/0040.html

+1 to not meeting fridays

<Ryladog> I will be missing the first half of each Thursday meeting

<AdrianHB> +1 for keeping Monday at 10am ET as primary IG meeting

RESOLUTION: 2 calls per week, 10AMEST Monday and Thursday

<jheuer> +1 for the general IG call on Monday as already established

shepazu: Notes that there will be a working group call once formed..

dezell: any other discussion on IG call schedule?

F2F Agenda Development

<dezell> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/FTF_Oct2015

Face to Face agenda development

dezell: put fair amount of material into wiki page
... primary way that IG can help is to charter working groups..

<shepazu> (or feedback into existing WGs)

dezell: but we also need to determine how else to coordinate the work (for example within CG's) around web payments

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention some thoughts on Sapporo that were discussed on Friday.

dezell: mentions Internet of Value CG and work to set that up

<manu> manu: Some thoughts on Sapporo that was discussed last Thursday: http://www.w3.org/2015/08/06-wpay-minutes.html#item03

manu: had a high level discussion on this topic last thursday
... concern around burnout as well as minimizing overlap between the IG and the WG's
... we also discussed how to frame the discussion at TPAC. For example using Demos..
... this would be like what Jörg did at the last TPAC or that Evan did at the NY F2F

<Zakim> Ryladog, you wanted to suggest adding a small bit of time to look at similar existing and specific sample/pilot implementations DEMOS (show and tell)

manu: general thought was for the IG topic to be more broad and focus on the WG should be scope to just phase 1

Katie: It would be good to record the demo's for archival/sharing

<Zakim> AdrianHB, you wanted to provide the latest on the IoV CG

AdrianHB: Slightly off topic - quick update on the CG...
... Fair amount of work done - there is a draft charter in the wiki. Also working with people from Ripple to develop a whitepaper to tie to the CG charter..

<AdrianHB> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Internet_of_Value_Task_Force

jheuer: also a bit off topic.. applied for permission to do another Demo at TPAC, but may not be able to participate in the WG due to legal reasons..

<AdrianHB> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Internet_of_Value_Community_Group_charter

dezell: follow up question to Jörg to ask about process for demos

<dezell> ACTION: dezell to follow up about demos with W3C for TPAC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/08/10-wpay-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Follow up about demos with w3c for tpac [on David Ezell - due 2015-08-17].

<Zakim> dezell, you wanted to talk about demos and redo?

dezell: we talked about live demos and we also talked about videos
... is there a preference
... regarding IOV whitepaper, timing is good for a discussion at TPAC..

AdrianHB: Will share whitepaper with IG as it is being developed... hope is to have it available for SIBOS which is prior to TPAC..

dezell: is it ok to put on topic list for TPAC?

AdrianHB: Yes that would be good... we are trying to make sure the ideas are all captured on paper...
... so that there is something tangible to discuss...

<AdrianHB> Thanks, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2015JulSep/0017.html

<collier-matthew> padler: 2 questions, question about the demo, are there demo tables?

<collier-matthew> padler: re the actual topics in the IG we want to have broad discussion.

<collier-matthew> padler: what types of materials do we need to produce for the WG section?

<Zakim> padler, you wanted to ask about tables?

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention why videos aren't great.

manu: was a suggestion for videos... we tried at IGF and W3C WG in the past, however not a lot of people watched relative to the effort required to produce..
... once the event happens, not a lot of people go back to the videos..

<Zakim> dezell, you wanted to ask about sharing

manu: we should time box demos so that they do not run over the agenda..

dezell: part of focus on getting the agenda done by Sept is to ensure that we do not step on the WG with IG topics...

<manu> manu: +1 to let people outside W3C know what we're doing!

shepazu: when I asked about videos... goal was not to inform people at TPAC.. but rather let people outside of W3C know what we are doing...

<manu> manu: yes, let them know via videos!

<jheuer> * I sent out to the IG list, the mail distributed from W3C to the reps (or, at least some of them)

shepazu: this is a big space... videos should be for the public to understand what we are doing... not for participants of the working group..

<dezell> +1 to doug's point

<Zakim> nicktr, you wanted to talk about demos

+1 to distinguishing between different work efforts..

<manu> manu: Here's an example of that style of video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioCbTo3C-4

<collier-matthew> padler: I would like to echo your point Doug.

<collier-matthew> padler: It's important to share the work, and also delineate the work taking place in the various groups, IG/WG

<collier-matthew> padler: Are the IG/WG different groups of people?

<manu> manu: There will be enough people going over from IG to WG for it to not be a problem.

<collier-matthew> padler: Do we need ambassadors to the WG

<nicktr> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0009.html

dezell: do we need ambassadors to WG? most may join both groups..

nicktr: Really hope that lots of people from this group join WG...

dezell: really excited about the WG... think it will be a great group..

<Zakim> padler, you wanted to discuss WG

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to suggest moving on from face-to-face agenda, because he can't contain his excitement about the Recruiting stuff.

<jheuer> * Sry, Need to be AFK for a few minutes.

manu: wondering if we've talked enough abt F2F should we move on to other topics?
... we have not touched yet on a couple of topics, identity, commerce, US Fed FPTF criteria..

<nicktr> WPIG is definitely Mon/Tue of TPAC

<Ryladog_> Thanks

<nicktr> timings are on the questionnaire

dezell: as a tee up for next week, these are the 4 things that have all appeared in draft agenda for IG..
... will be important not to limit ourselves for the IG to make sure that we get good input into IG activities..

<jheuer> Combining commmerce, identity and payment is jheuer's focus - and for the demo planned

dezell: really encourage people for next weeks call to produce ideas for discussion..

<collier-matthew> padler: what you just mentioned is helpful, for the IG topics there are those 4, but we spent time at the NYC F2F discussing areas of work

<collier-matthew> padler: make sure discussions are well organized

<collier-matthew> padler: How might the topics be most engaging for the participants?

<collier-matthew> ... structure the discussion in themed topics

Recruiting

dezell: goal of september is to get good input and descriptions to do that kind of organization..

Capabilities Document

<dezell> https://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/latest/capabilities/index.html

<collier-matthew> padler: We had a call last Friday

<nicktr> padler: agree on some structure changes

<collier-matthew> ... we went through the capabilities document and agreed to some structural changes

<collier-matthew> ... I'll be working on revising the intent/purpose

<collier-matthew> ... the goal was to assign people to fill out various sections of the document.

<collier-matthew> ... any questions?

<Zakim> dezell, you wanted to say takehome is look/see if/where you want to contribute

<collier-matthew> padler: the other key thing has to do with the scope of the WG vs IG

<collier-matthew> ... the scope of the capabilities document is an IG deliverable

<collier-matthew> ... it is very broadly scoped

<collier-matthew> ... if we want to add additional topics that have not been assigned to a WG yet

<collier-matthew> ... it can serve as glue between various groups

<collier-matthew> ... some of the sections of the document refer to know groups in that area

<collier-matthew> ... good to indicate who is working on those topics

ISO12812 Report

<jheuer> * back again

<erik> ISO 12812 is way to specific.

dezell: any other business

AC review of Web Payments WG charter

<shepazu> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/wpay_wg2015/

shepazu: Reminder about AC poll specific to the WG link is above..
... goal is to get 40 votes in favor and to get feedback..

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to dogpile on "vote, dammit!"

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