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14:38:39 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-irc
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14:38:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:38:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:38:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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14:38:44 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:38:44 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2009
14:38:55 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:38:57 <Steven> Regrets: Mark
Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
14:44:40 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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14:44:47 <Zakim> +??P1
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14:45:05 <Zakim> +Roland_Merrick
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14:45:20 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
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14:45:20 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
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14:45:42 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:45:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
14:46:05 <Roland> trackbot, start telcon
Roland Merrick: trackbot, start telcon ←
14:46:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:46:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2 ←
14:46:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started
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14:46:11 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:46:11 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2009
14:46:14 <Steven> already did that Roland
Steven Pemberton: already did that Roland ←
14:46:18 <Roland> Chair: Roland
14:46:28 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:46:28 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:46:29 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:46:30 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0005.html
14:46:40 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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14:47:16 <Tina> I'm on IRC since my phoneline isn't working.
Tina Holmboe: I'm on IRC since my phoneline isn't working. ←
14:47:52 <Steven> zakim, drop me
Steven Pemberton: zakim, drop me ←
14:47:52 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
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14:47:54 <Zakim> -Steven
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14:47:57 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:47:58 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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14:47:59 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:47:59 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:48:09 <mib_3zvwue> zakim, ??P7 is Alessio
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Scribe problem: the name 'mib_3zvwue' does not match any of the 23 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown mib_3zvwue: zakim, ??P7 is Alessio ←
14:48:09 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:48:58 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
14:49:10 <mgylling> zakim, ??P1 is mgylling
Markus Gylling: zakim, ??P1 is mgylling ←
14:49:10 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
14:49:20 <ShaneM> Topic: Action Items
14:49:28 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/ ←
14:50:38 <ShaneM> Action 17: Still pending.
14:50:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 17
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 17 ←
14:51:22 <ShaneM> Steven completed actions 20 and 41.
Steven completed actions 20 and 41. ←
14:51:36 <ShaneM> close action-20
14:51:36 <trackbot> ACTION-20 - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-20 - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 closed ←
14:51:41 <ShaneM> close action-41
14:51:41 <trackbot> ACTION-41 Follow up with I18N on access comments closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-41 Follow up with I18N on access comments closed ←
14:52:12 <ShaneM> close action-23
14:52:12 <trackbot> ACTION-23 Start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-23 Start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 closed ←
14:54:08 <ShaneM> close action-26
14:54:09 <trackbot> ACTION-26 outline how parameters should work on media type & get RFC updated closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-26 outline how parameters should work on media type & get RFC updated closed ←
14:55:34 <ShaneM> Discussion about Action 31
14:56:11 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0000.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0000.html ←
14:56:57 <ShaneM> We were ready to transition when we spotted some issues that had not gotten closed with I18N
We were ready to transition when we spotted some issues that had not gotten closed with I18N ←
14:57:12 <ShaneM> They sent a message back that we have not yet discussed.
They sent a message back that we have not yet discussed. ←
14:57:35 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0001.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0001.html ←
15:01:04 <ShaneM> Shane thinks that a character from the document character set is exactly correct given XHTML's role in the authoring stream.
Shane thinks that a character from the document character set is exactly correct given XHTML's role in the authoring stream. ←
15:01:18 <ShaneM> Addison requests that we invite someone to a call.
Addison requests that we invite someone to a call. ←
15:02:28 <ShaneM> I18N group is concerned about mapping from the keyboard to the document character set.
I18N group is concerned about mapping from the keyboard to the document character set. ←
15:02:41 <ShaneM> Shane thinks that this is outside of our scope and they should to talk to the DOM3 group.
Shane thinks that this is outside of our scope and they should to talk to the DOM3 group. ←
15:03:10 <ShaneM> Steven says it is not our aim to define the mapping between the keyboard and characters (or any other mechanism and characters)
Steven says it is not our aim to define the mapping between the keyboard and characters (or any other mechanism and characters) ←
15:04:31 <ShaneM> Markus suggests we change the name of the attribute.
Markus suggests we change the name of the attribute. ←
15:05:10 <ShaneM> Possible "character" or "mapping".
Possible "character" or "mapping". ←
15:06:59 <ShaneM> Shane asks if this means we need to repeat last call? Group says no - no semantic changes.
Shane asks if this means we need to repeat last call? Group says no - no semantic changes. ←
15:07:26 <Steven> code, mapping, shortcut
Steven Pemberton: code, mapping, shortcut ←
15:08:24 <ShaneM> Steven suggests we offer the I18N group some options and let them pick.
Steven suggests we offer the I18N group some options and let them pick. ←
15:08:47 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name.
ACTION: Steven to reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name. ←
15:08:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-02-11].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-47 - Reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-02-11]. ←
15:09:41 <ShaneM> Steven will send out the role attribute CR transition request tomororw.
Steven will send out the role attribute CR transition request tomorrow. ←
15:09:51 <ShaneM> s/tomororw/tomorrow/
15:10:52 <ShaneM> PRE specs are undergoing final review and editing now.
PER specs are undergoing final review and editing now. ←
15:10:56 <ShaneM> s/PRE/PER/
15:11:14 <ShaneM> close action-46
15:11:14 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Define caption module and add issue about whether caption should be included in the Text content set. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 Define caption module and add issue about whether caption should be included in the Text content set. closed ←
15:11:46 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Media Types Second Edition
15:11:52 <ShaneM> we have received a couple of editorial comments.
we have received a couple of editorial comments. ←
15:13:19 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0122.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0122.html ←
15:14:08 <ShaneM> We dealt with these comments earlier but apparently did not send a formal response.
We dealt with these comments earlier but apparently did not send a formal response. ←
15:14:51 <Steven> W3C Working Group Note 16 January 2009
Steven Pemberton: W3C Working Group Note 16 January 2009 ←
15:15:23 <Tina> The concerns raised there are, in my view, political. Unless we accept - and I see no reason to do so - that the HTML WG are creating XHTML Family specification, there is no merit to the demands made so very rudely.
Tina Holmboe: The concerns raised there are, in my view, political. Unless we accept - and I see no reason to do so - that the HTML WG are creating XHTML Family specification, there is no merit to the demands made so very rudely. ←
15:20:54 <ShaneM> (The group went through the original message to ensure that each item had already been discussed and addressed - Steven to compose a formal reply)
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(The group went through the original message to ensure that each item had already been discussed and addressed - Steven to compose a formal reply) ←
15:21:53 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to send a formal reply to message 122
ACTION: Steven to send a formal reply to message 122 ←
15:21:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Send a formal reply to message 122 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-02-11].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-48 - Send a formal reply to message 122 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-02-11]. ←
15:26:45 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0072.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0072.html ←
15:34:24 <ShaneM> iframe and noscript content are processed differently between XML and HTML - that's the core of the problem.
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iframe and noscript content are processed differently between XML and HTML - that's the core of the problem. ←
15:34:41 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0027.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0027.html ←
15:37:37 <Tina> Do we have a document that explains exactly how the iframe is processed differently?
Tina Holmboe: Do we have a document that explains exactly how the iframe is processed differently? ←
15:38:02 <ShaneM> yes we do. it is in a mail message.
yes we do. it is in a mail message. ←
15:38:40 <Tina> The one above?
Tina Holmboe: The one above? ←
15:38:40 <ShaneM> Topic: I18N and @xml:lang in HTML
15:38:45 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0000.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0000.html ←
15:40:43 <ShaneM> The group seems in favor of ensuring that @xml:lang is included in the HTML serialization.
The group seems in favor of ensuring that @xml:lang is included in the HTML serialization. ←
15:41:26 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0003.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0003.html ←
15:43:44 <ShaneM> Topic: Next week meeting
15:44:05 <ShaneM> Steven will not be available - XForms f2f.
Steven will not be available - XForms f2f. ←
15:44:59 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
15:45:00 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
15:45:00 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:45:04 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
15:45:15 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
15:45:17 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
15:45:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Alessio, mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Alessio, mgylling ←
15:45:53 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:46:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:46:44 <Steven> rrsagent, are you there?
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, are you there? ←
15:47:12 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:47:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:48:01 <Steven> Present+Tina
Steven Pemberton: Present+Tina ←
15:48:08 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:48:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:51:46 <alessio> bye :)
Alessio Cartocci: bye :) ←
15:52:40 <Tina> Btw ... how is an UA supposed to handle linearization of a document containing iframes if they shouldn't have content?
Tina Holmboe: Btw ... how is an UA supposed to handle linearization of a document containing iframes if they shouldn't have content? ←
15:58:36 <ShaneM> xhtml-media-types is about guidelines for portability
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xhtml-media-types is about guidelines for portability ←
15:59:07 <ShaneM> you cannot have generic content in an iframe that is treated portably. if you want to help craft some language for what WOULD work portably, I am up for it
you cannot have generic content in an iframe that is treated portably. if you want to help craft some language for what WOULD work portably, I am up for it ←
16:00:24 <Tina> I was actually thinking about what happens if you send the document *as* XHTML, not HTML. If the document, for instance, is sent as application/xhtml+xml to supporting agents.
Tina Holmboe: I was actually thinking about what happens if you send the document *as* XHTML, not HTML. If the document, for instance, is sent as application/xhtml+xml to supporting agents. ←
16:00:56 <ShaneM> and it has content? that content is processed as PCDATA. which is what I would expect
and it has content? that content is processed as PCDATA. which is what I would expect ←
16:01:36 <Tina> Scenario: you want to have an XHTML document with an IFRAME. To do so you follow the media-types suggestion and remove the alternative content. You send it as text/html to non-supporting agents, and application/xhtml+xml to supporting agents.
Scribe problem: the name 'Scenario' does not match any of the 23 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Scenario: you want to have an XHTML document with an IFRAME. To do so you follow the media-types suggestion and remove the alternative content. You send it as text/html to non-supporting agents, and application/xhtml+xml to supporting agents. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
16:05:25 <Tina> I'm not sure I understand how the *supporting* agent would linearize the document when needed?
Tina Holmboe: I'm not sure I understand how the *supporting* agent would linearize the document when needed? ←
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