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14:38:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
14:38:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:38:44 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:38:44 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2009
14:38:55 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:38:57 <Steven> Regrets: Mark
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14:45:05 <Zakim> +Roland_Merrick
14:45:20 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
14:45:20 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
14:45:42 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
14:45:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
14:46:05 <Roland> trackbot, start telcon
14:46:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:46:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
14:46:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started
14:46:11 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:46:11 <trackbot> Date: 04 February 2009
14:46:14 <Steven> already did that Roland
14:46:18 <Roland> Chair: Roland
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14:46:28 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:46:28 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:46:29 <Zakim> +Steven
14:46:30 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0005.html
14:46:40 <Zakim> +ShaneM
14:47:16 <Tina> I'm on IRC since my phoneline isn't working.
14:47:52 <Steven> zakim, drop me
14:47:52 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
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14:47:57 <Zakim> +??P7
14:47:58 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:47:59 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:47:59 <Zakim> +Steven
14:48:09 <mib_3zvwue> zakim, ??P7 is Alessio
14:48:09 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
14:48:58 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
14:49:10 <mgylling> zakim, ??P1 is mgylling
14:49:10 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
14:49:20 <ShaneM> Topic: Action Items
14:49:28 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/
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14:50:38 <ShaneM> Action 17: Still pending.
14:50:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 17
14:51:22 <ShaneM> Steven completed actions 20 and 41.
14:51:36 <ShaneM> close action-20
14:51:36 <trackbot> ACTION-20 - respond to LC2 call for Selectors API - 2008-11-30 closed
14:51:41 <ShaneM> close action-41
14:51:41 <trackbot> ACTION-41 Follow up with I18N on access comments closed
14:52:12 <ShaneM> close action-23
14:52:12 <trackbot> ACTION-23 Start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0 closed
14:54:08 <ShaneM> close action-26
14:54:09 <trackbot> ACTION-26 outline how parameters should work on media type & get RFC updated closed
14:55:34 <ShaneM> Discussion about Action 31 
14:56:11 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0000.html
14:56:57 <ShaneM> We were ready to transition when we spotted some issues that had not gotten closed with I18N
14:57:12 <ShaneM> They sent a message back that we have not yet discussed.
14:57:35 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0001.html
15:01:04 <ShaneM> Shane thinks that a character from the document character set is exactly correct given XHTML's role in the authoring stream.
15:01:18 <ShaneM> Addison requests that we invite someone to a call.
15:02:28 <ShaneM> I18N group is concerned about mapping from the keyboard to the document character set.
15:02:41 <ShaneM> Shane thinks that this is outside of our scope and they should to talk to the DOM3 group.
15:03:10 <ShaneM> Steven says it is not our aim to define the mapping between the keyboard and characters (or any other mechanism and characters)
15:04:31 <ShaneM> Markus suggests we change the name of the attribute.
15:05:10 <ShaneM> Possible "character" or "mapping".
15:06:59 <ShaneM> Shane asks if this means  we need to repeat last call?  Group says no - no semantic changes.
15:07:26 <Steven> code, mapping, shortcut
15:08:24 <ShaneM> Steven suggests we offer the I18N group some options and let them pick.
15:08:47 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name.
15:08:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-02-11].
15:09:41 <ShaneM> Steven will send out the role attribute CR transition request tomororw.
15:09:51 <ShaneM> s/tomororw/tomorrow/
15:10:52 <ShaneM> PRE specs are undergoing final review and editing now.
15:10:56 <ShaneM> s/PRE/PER/
15:11:14 <ShaneM> close action-46
15:11:14 <trackbot> ACTION-46 Define caption module and add issue about whether caption should be included in the Text content set. closed
15:11:46 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Media Types Second Edition
15:11:52 <ShaneM> we have received a couple of editorial comments.
15:13:19 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0122.html
15:14:08 <ShaneM> We dealt with these comments earlier but apparently did not send a formal response.
15:14:51 <Steven> W3C Working Group Note 16 January 2009
15:15:23 <Tina> The concerns raised there are, in my view, political. Unless we accept - and I see no reason to do so - that the HTML WG are creating XHTML Family specification, there is no merit to the demands made so very rudely.
15:20:54 <ShaneM> (The group went through the original message to ensure that each item had already been discussed and addressed - Steven to compose a formal reply)
15:21:53 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to send a formal reply to message 122
15:21:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Send a formal reply to message 122 [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-02-11].
15:26:45 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0072.html
15:34:24 <ShaneM> iframe and noscript content are processed differently between XML and HTML - that's the core of the problem.
15:34:41 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0027.html
15:37:37 <Tina> Do we have a document that explains exactly how the iframe is processed differently?
15:38:02 <ShaneM> yes we do.  it is in a mail message.
15:38:40 <Tina> The one above?
15:38:40 <ShaneM> Topic: I18N and @xml:lang in HTML
15:38:45 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0000.html
15:40:43 <ShaneM> The group seems in favor of ensuring that @xml:lang is included in the HTML serialization.
15:41:26 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Feb/0003.html
15:43:44 <ShaneM> Topic: Next week meeting
15:44:05 <ShaneM> Steven will not be available - XForms f2f.
15:44:59 <Zakim> -mgylling
15:45:00 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:45:00 <Zakim> -Steven
15:45:04 <Zakim> -Alessio
15:45:15 <Zakim> -Roland
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15:45:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Alessio, mgylling
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15:45:53 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:46:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:46:44 <Steven> rrsagent, are you there?
15:47:12 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
15:48:01 <Steven> Present+Tina
15:48:08 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
15:51:46 <alessio> bye :)
15:52:40 <Tina> Btw ... how is an UA supposed to handle linearization of a document containing iframes if they shouldn't have content?
15:58:36 <ShaneM> xhtml-media-types is about guidelines for portability
15:59:07 <ShaneM> you cannot have generic content in an iframe that is treated portably.  if you want to help craft some language for what WOULD work portably, I am up for it
16:00:24 <Tina> I was actually thinking about what happens if you send the document *as* XHTML, not HTML. If the document, for instance, is sent as application/xhtml+xml to supporting agents.
16:00:56 <ShaneM> and it has content?  that content is processed as PCDATA.  which is what I would expect
16:01:36 <Tina> Scenario: you want to have an XHTML document with an IFRAME. To do so you follow the media-types suggestion and remove the alternative content. You send it as text/html to non-supporting agents, and application/xhtml+xml to supporting agents.
16:05:25 <Tina> I'm not sure I understand how the *supporting* agent would linearize the document when needed?
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