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XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 14 January 2009

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0024.html
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Alessio Cartocci, Mark Birbeck, Markus Gylling, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe
Chair
Roland Merrick
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Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton
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  1. Publish XHTML Media Types with topday's changes link
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14:36:55 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:36:55 <trackbot> Date: 14 January 2009
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14:39:51 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:39:51 <trackbot> Date: 14 January 2009
14:40:06 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0024.html
14:40:15 <Roland> Chair: Roland
14:41:53 <ShaneM> I thought we had said we wanted to talk about xhtml media types document first today

Shane McCarron: I thought we had said we wanted to talk about xhtml media types document first today

14:42:03 <ShaneM> (since we did not get to it last week)

Shane McCarron: (since we did not get to it last week)

14:42:20 <Roland> we did

Roland Merrick: we did

14:42:43 <ShaneM> okay.   I think the mail message of interest is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html

Shane McCarron: okay. I think the mail message of interest is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html

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14:46:29 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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14:47:21 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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14:47:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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14:47:42 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P10 is mgylling

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14:50:41 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM

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14:50:55 <ShaneM> TOPIC : Status of CURIE CR

TOPIC : Status of CURIE CR

14:51:19 <ShaneM> Document should be published today or tomorrow.

Document should be published today or tomorrow.

14:51:19 <Zakim> +markbirbeck

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14:51:59 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Status of transition for PERs

1. Status of transition for PERs

14:52:31 <ShaneM> There is a gating problem - we need to update the XHTML Media Type document first.

There is a gating problem - we need to update the XHTML Media Type document first.

14:54:30 <ShaneM> Shane thought we could request it anyway, but Steven explained that thiis will happen quickly so we should not do it until we are ready.  Might be able to move on this depending on another agenda item.  Tabled.

Shane thought we could request it anyway, but Steven explained that thiis will happen quickly so we should not do it until we are ready. Might be able to move on this depending on another agenda item. Tabled.

14:54:40 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML Media Types draft

2. XHTML Media Types draft

14:54:51 <ShaneM> We received a late comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html

We received a late comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html

14:55:25 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

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14:55:44 <Steven> Shane: There a couple of comments here that are technical, but some are not

Shane McCarron: There a couple of comments here that are technical, but some are not

14:55:55 <Steven> ... these are issues for the W3C team to deal with

... these are issues for the W3C team to deal with

14:56:06 <Steven> ... we cannot respond to those parts

... we cannot respond to those parts

14:56:35 <Steven> ... he says that the doc talks about 4 media types, but really it is only about 2

... he says that the doc talks about 4 media types, but really it is only about 2

14:56:52 <Steven> ... text/html and application/xhtml+xml

... text/html and application/xhtml+xml

14:57:01 <Steven> ... the other two are not really needed

... the other two are not really needed

14:57:11 <Steven> Roland: Sounds reasonable, this is about recommended usage

Roland Merrick: Sounds reasonable, this is about recommended usage

14:57:29 <Steven> Shane: Good comment from this guy, as far as I can interpret

Shane McCarron: Good comment from this guy, as far as I can interpret

14:58:21 <Steven> Shane: He thinks we should rename the document to Media types for XHTML 1.x

Shane McCarron: He thinks we should rename the document to Media types for XHTML 1.x

14:58:33 <Steven> Roland: Sounds right

Roland Merrick: Sounds right

14:58:47 <Steven> Shane: Well Print and XHTML+RDFa wouldn't be covered then

Shane McCarron: Well Print and XHTML+RDFa wouldn't be covered then

15:00:15 <Steven> Roland: It is now called XHTML Media types

Roland Merrick: It is now called XHTML Media types

15:00:33 <Steven> Tina: Keep it as it is and say that it only applies to existing Recs

Tina Holmboe: Keep it as it is and say that it only applies to existing Recs

15:01:50 <Steven> Steven: Notes are never normative

Steven Pemberton: Notes are never normative

15:02:31 <alessio> agree

Alessio Cartocci: agree

15:02:59 <Steven> Steven: We should say that it just applies to existing recs

Steven Pemberton: We should say that it just applies to existing recs

15:03:27 <Steven> Mark: We should not just fight the battles at each step anew

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Mark: We should not just fight the battles at each step anew

15:03:40 <Steven> ... we should make this document applicable for generic cases

... we should make this document applicable for generic cases

15:04:08 <Steven> ... the text/html mime type is about switching into HTML mode

... the text/html mime type is about switching into HTML mode

15:04:34 <Steven> ... authors shouldn't be discouraged from that if it is a reasonable deployment strategy

... authors shouldn't be discouraged from that if it is a reasonable deployment strategy

15:04:48 <Steven> Roland: There is more to this spec than just that

Roland Merrick: There is more to this spec than just that

15:04:59 <Steven> ... it includes authoring guidelines

... it includes authoring guidelines

15:05:15 <Steven> Shane: No, Appx A gives hints for any version

Shane McCarron: No, Appx A gives hints for any version

15:05:57 <Steven> Mark: it is more political than technical

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Unknown Mark: it is more political than technical

15:06:32 <Steven> ... the question is in my mind, is it OK to switch the browser to HTML mode, and since people are oding that anyway, it is

... the question is in my mind, is it OK to switch the browser to HTML mode, and since people are doing that anyway, it is

15:06:42 <Steven> s/oding/doing
15:07:09 <Steven> Tina: Shouldn't we just address the technical issues?

Tina Holmboe: Shouldn't we just address the technical issues?

15:08:04 <Steven> Steven: I suggest that we say that it applies to existing recommendations

Steven Pemberton: I suggest that we say that it applies to existing recommendations

15:09:10 <ShaneM> Proposed text: "The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication."

Shane McCarron: Proposed text: "The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication."

15:09:34 <alessio> @shane +1

Alessio Cartocci: @shane +1

15:10:36 <Steven> Roland: What do the authors who read this document want?

Roland Merrick: What do the authors who read this document want?

15:11:51 <ShaneM> q+

Shane McCarron: q+

15:11:54 <Steven> Mark: On the backplane XG there is a discussion about using Ubiquity to implement XHTML2

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Mark: On the backplane XG there is a discussion about using Ubiquity to implement XHTML2

15:12:08 <Steven> ... well to do that you need to be able to use the text/html mime type

... well to do that you need to be able to use the text/html mime type

15:14:42 <ShaneM> q-

Shane McCarron: q-

15:14:45 <Steven> Shane: I proposed a sentence above

Shane McCarron: I proposed a sentence above

15:14:54 <Steven> "The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication."

"The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication."

15:16:16 <Steven> Tina: I agre, keep the title, and add the sentence

Tina Holmboe: I agree, keep the title, and add the sentence

15:16:21 <Steven> s/agre/agree/
15:17:15 <alessio> agree

Alessio Cartocci: agree

15:17:18 <Steven> Roland: I propose that too

Roland Merrick: I propose that too

15:17:36 <Steven> So resolved

So resolved

15:18:27 <Steven> Shane: An early question asks us to say that it is only the opinion of the WG

Shane McCarron: An early question asks us to say that it is only the opinion of the WG

15:18:40 <Steven> Steven: No need for that. The information comes from recommendations

Steven Pemberton: No need for that. The information comes from recommendations

15:18:47 <Steven> Shane: Anyway it says it comes from our WG

Shane McCarron: Anyway it says it comes from our WG

15:19:05 <Steven> Shane: He asks about text/xml and application/xml

Shane McCarron: He asks about text/xml and application/xml

15:19:14 <Steven> ... we don't care about those, right?

... we don't care about those, right?

15:19:45 <Steven> ... he maintains that we don't need the space before trailing slashes on modern browsers.

... he maintains that we don't need the space before trailing slashes on modern browsers.

15:19:56 <Steven> Steven: True, but not to the point

Steven Pemberton: True, but not to the point

15:20:26 <Steven> Shane: He also complains that we are suggesting that authors produce invalid HTML4

Shane McCarron: He also complains that we are suggesting that authors produce invalid HTML4

15:20:33 <Steven> Tina: He's wrong, it is valid

Tina Holmboe: He's wrong, it is valid

15:20:54 <Steven> Mark: Anyway there is no agreed way to validate HTML4

Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown Mark: Anyway there is no agreed way to validate HTML4

15:21:04 <Steven> Tina: Well, you can according to the DTD

Tina Holmboe: Well, you can according to the DTD

15:22:04 <Steven> Shane: Finally about named entities

Shane McCarron: Finally about named entities

15:22:37 <Steven> ... which may not work in generic XML parsers

... which may not work in generic XML parsers

15:22:46 <Steven> ... I don't think we care for this document

... I don't think we care for this document

15:23:15 <Steven> Shane: Then comes the political stuff that has nothing to do with this document

Shane McCarron: Then comes the political stuff that has nothing to do with this document

15:25:30 <Steven> Steven: The word XHTML does not appear in there charter

Steven Pemberton: The word XHTML does not appear in their charter

15:25:36 <Steven> s/there/their/
15:26:54 <Steven> Shane: I request that Steven raise the issue of the use of the name XHTML within the team

Shane McCarron: I request that Steven raise the issue of the use of the name XHTML within the team

15:27:03 <Steven> Steven: Three is a domain discussion coming up

Steven Pemberton: Three is a domain discussion coming up

15:27:14 <Steven> Shane: I propose we publish this document with today's changes

Shane McCarron: I propose we publish this document with today's changes

15:27:30 <Tina> +1

Tina Holmboe: +1

15:27:35 <alessio> +1

Alessio Cartocci: +1

15:27:38 <Steven> +1

+1

15:27:47 <markbirbeck> +1

Mark Birbeck: +1

15:27:57 <mgylling> +1

Markus Gylling: +1

15:28:12 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Publish XHTML Media Types with topday's changes

RESOLVED: Publish XHTML Media Types with topday's changes

15:28:20 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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15:28:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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15:28:41 <Steven> Scribe: Shane

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15:28:51 <Steven> scribenick: shanem
15:29:36 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html

15:30:19 <ShaneM> TOPIC: HTML 5 and XHTML 2 combined

3. HTML 5 and XHTML 2 combined

15:30:32 <ShaneM> There is a discussion thread started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html

There is a discussion thread started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html

15:31:11 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: Benjamin has made some interesting comments that revealed existing browser behavior mark was not previously aware of.

Mark Birbeck: Benjamin has made some interesting comments that revealed existing browser behavior mark was not previously aware of.

15:31:35 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: it seems that there are people out there who understand what we are trying to achieve with XHTML 2.

Mark Birbeck: it seems that there are people out there who understand what we are trying to achieve with XHTML 2.

15:32:17 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: there might be a way to make our message clearer.  For example there might be confusion about what "deprecated" means.  Can we help clear that up?

Mark Birbeck: there might be a way to make our message clearer. For example there might be confusion about what "deprecated" means. Can we help clear that up?

15:32:22 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy?

15:32:32 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tina (40%), Alessio (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tina (40%), Alessio (9%)

15:32:41 <Steven> zakim, mute alessio

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15:32:41 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted

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15:32:45 <Tina> Zakim, mute me

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15:32:45 <Zakim> Tina should now be muted

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15:33:03 <ShaneM> Roland: thinks this is an interesting thread.

Roland Merrick: thinks this is an interesting thread.

15:33:44 <ShaneM> Roland: he points out that he cannot find anything in web space that describes the goals and philosophy of XHTML 2.

Roland Merrick: he points out that he cannot find anything in web space that describes the goals and philosophy of XHTML 2.

15:34:01 <ShaneM> Steven: willing to take an action to draft a document.

Steven Pemberton: willing to take an action to draft a document.

15:34:19 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space.

ACTION: Steven to write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space.

15:34:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-21].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-21].

15:34:25 <markbirbeck> http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2005/01/xhtml-2-as-universal-document.html

Mark Birbeck: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2005/01/xhtml-2-as-universal-document.html

15:34:27 <markbirbeck> :)

Mark Birbeck: :)

15:35:34 <ShaneM> Roland: Is there a way to define a profile of HTML5 that maps to XHTML 2?  And would that be valuable?

Roland Merrick: Is there a way to define a profile of HTML5 that maps to XHTML 2? And would that be valuable?

15:36:46 <ShaneM> Steven: Does not think it is as difficult as it appears.  We broke XHTML2 up into other bits so we could produce them separately.  Completing XHTML 2 is just a matter of collecting those bits and we are done!

Steven Pemberton: Does not think it is as difficult as it appears. We broke XHTML2 up into other bits so we could produce them separately. Completing XHTML 2 is just a matter of collecting those bits and we are done!

15:37:26 <ShaneM> Steven: He does not think we need to refer to HTML 5 in order to deploy XHTML 2.  There is a client-side strategy via Ubiquity, and server-side strategies that involve transformation.

Steven Pemberton: He does not think we need to refer to HTML 5 in order to deploy XHTML 2. There is a client-side strategy via Ubiquity, and server-side strategies that involve transformation.

15:37:51 <ShaneM> Steven: "HTML  is the assembly language that we are compiling down to."

Steven Pemberton: "HTML is the assembly language that we are compiling down to."

15:39:00 <ShaneM> Roland: The difference is that XHTML 2 is a very large language spec.

Roland Merrick: The difference is that XHTML 2 is a very large language spec.

15:39:42 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: HTML 5 has borrowed ideas from XHTML 2. That's fine.  The bits that Mark finds frustrating is that they incorporate those ideas rather than referencing the modules that we have already produced.

Mark Birbeck: HTML 5 has borrowed ideas from XHTML 2. That's fine. The bits that Mark finds frustrating is that they incorporate those ideas rather than referencing the modules that we have already produced.

15:40:12 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: Basing XHTML 2 on HTML 5 seems circular.

Mark Birbeck: Basing XHTML 2 on HTML 5 seems circular.

15:41:22 <ShaneM> Roland: we need to try to support our audience (paraphrase)

Roland Merrick: we need to try to support our audience (paraphrase)

15:42:33 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: We can't ignore how we got here.  The modules are the basis of creating future languages and having extensibility.  We can accelerate the process by using this architecture.  A monolithic document makes that extension challenging.

Mark Birbeck: We can't ignore how we got here. The modules are the basis of creating future languages and having extensibility. We can accelerate the process by using this architecture. A monolithic document makes that extension challenging.

15:43:38 <ShaneM> Roland: profiling doesn't just mean subsetting.  You can subset and extend.

Roland Merrick: profiling doesn't just mean subsetting. You can subset and extend.

15:43:52 <alessio> yes

Alessio Cartocci: yes

15:45:37 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: we could produce a document that describes the rendering behavior of the various html document types (?)

Mark Birbeck: we could produce a document that describes the rendering behavior of the various html document types (?)

15:46:35 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: The HTML 5 approach goes against the general modular philosophy that the W3C has pursued for years.  People want to merge things together in ways that we will never imagine.

Mark Birbeck: The HTML 5 approach goes against the general modular philosophy that the W3C has pursued for years. People want to merge things together in ways that we will never imagine.

15:47:46 <ShaneM> Roland: The thought process should be "what do we need to do to XHTML 2 to help ease deployment?"  Are there things we should rethink based upon new information?

Roland Merrick: The thought process should be "what do we need to do to XHTML 2 to help ease deployment?" Are there things we should rethink based upon new information?

15:49:08 <ShaneM> Steven: We have done this evaluation at times.  There are things in XHTML 2 that are unavoidably different than HTML 4 / 5.  XForms, XML Events

Steven Pemberton: We have done this evaluation at times. There are things in XHTML 2 that are unavoidably different than HTML 4 / 5. XForms, XML Events

15:49:23 <alessio> completely agree

Alessio Cartocci: completely agree

15:49:48 <ShaneM> Steven: The HTML 5 approach to events is not scalable to the future, for example.

Steven Pemberton: The HTML 5 approach to events is not scalable to the future, for example.

15:51:32 <ShaneM> Roland: Can we take the time to evaluate where we feel that HTML 5 and XHTML 2 have common ground?

Roland Merrick: Can we take the time to evaluate where we feel that HTML 5 and XHTML 2 have common ground?

15:53:26 <ShaneM> Will return to this next week.

Will return to this next week.

15:53:44 <ShaneM> ShaneM: and Welcome to the editing team, Markus!

Shane McCarron: and Welcome to the editing team, Markus!

15:53:55 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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15:53:57 <alessio> bye :)

Alessio Cartocci: bye :)

15:53:58 <Zakim> -Steven

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15:54:01 <Zakim> -Tina

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15:54:04 <Zakim> -Alessio

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15:54:09 <Zakim> -mgylling

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15:54:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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15:55:03 <Zakim> This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed

Zakim IRC Bot: This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed

15:59:10 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Roland, in IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Roland, in IA_XHTML2()9:45AM

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15:59:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, mgylling, Alessio, markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, mgylling, Alessio, markbirbeck

16:03:10 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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16:03:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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17:00:10 <Steven> Shane, Nick and Leigh in XForms have relax implementations in some form or another, Leigh will contact you

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Steven Pemberton: Shane, Nick and Leigh in XForms have relax implementations in some form or another, Leigh will contact you



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