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14:44:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc
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14:44:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:44:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2 ←
14:44:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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14:44:04 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:44:04 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2008
14:44:18 <oedipus> regrets: Tina_Holcombe,Alessio_Cartocci
Scribe problem: the name 'Tina_Holcombe' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Markus Gylling Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami
14:44:18 <oedipus> previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-minuts.html
14:44:18 <oedipus> Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
Gregory Rosmaita: Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
14:44:24 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
14:44:28 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
14:44:33 <oedipus> Chair: Roland_Merrick
14:44:36 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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14:44:40 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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14:44:43 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:44:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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14:44:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:45:29 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:45:49 <Roland> trackbot, start telcon
Roland Merrick: trackbot, start telcon ←
14:45:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:45:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2 ←
14:45:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started ←
14:45:54 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:45:54 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2008
14:46:16 <Roland> ta
Roland Merrick: ta ←
14:46:34 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:46:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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14:47:03 <oedipus> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0024.html
14:47:27 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:47:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:48:20 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:48:20 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:48:22 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:48:43 <mgylling> thanks
Markus Gylling: thanks ←
14:49:58 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
14:50:04 <oedipus> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
14:50:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller], ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, Roland ←
14:50:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roland, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, Steven, oedipus, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Roland, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, mgylling, Steven, oedipus, trackbot ←
14:50:35 <mgylling> yeah I am IPing
Markus Gylling: yeah I am IPing ←
14:50:52 <Steven> zakim, [IP is mgylling
Steven Pemberton: zakim, [IP is mgylling ←
14:50:52 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
14:51:09 <oedipus> TOPIC: Introductions & Brief Items
14:52:13 <oedipus> MG: Chief Technical Officer at DAISY consortium (http://www.daisy.org) - sets international standard for digital talking books - primarily blind and visually disabled; been a NISO standard since 2002; now want to change code base by 2010
Markus Gylling: Chief Technical Officer at DAISY consortium (http://www.daisy.org) - sets international standard for digital talking books - primarily blind and visually disabled; been a NISO standard since 2002; now want to change code base by 2010 ←
14:52:45 <oedipus> MG: would like to use XHTML2 as host grammar for series of profiles and hybrid documents
Markus Gylling: would like to use XHTML2 as host grammar for series of profiles and hybrid documents ←
14:53:06 <Steven> Sounds fantastic
Steven Pemberton: Sounds fantastic ←
14:53:12 <oedipus> MG: following XHTML2 since inception; one of the most poetic of the specs i've read; here to help in any way i can
Markus Gylling: following XHTML2 since inception; one of the most poetic of the specs i've read; here to help in any way i can ←
14:53:31 <oedipus> MG: DAISY has always used W3C SMIL for presentation
Markus Gylling: DAISY has always used W3C SMIL for presentation ←
14:53:41 <oedipus> MG: SMIL3 has dedicated DAISY profile
Markus Gylling: SMIL3 has dedicated DAISY profile ←
14:54:23 <oedipus> SP: in what respect does XHTML2 meet DAISY's requirements; accessibility always major aim of XHTML2, but anything that sticks out as being particularly useful
Steven Pemberton: in what respect does XHTML2 meet DAISY's requirements; accessibility always major aim of XHTML2, but anything that sticks out as being particularly useful ←
14:54:44 <oedipus> MG: accessibility definitely one point; Role Module will be made extensive use of
Markus Gylling: accessibility definitely one point; Role Module will be made extensive use of ←
14:56:27 <oedipus> MG: splitting grammar into to parts: master authoring interface with host grammar that is robust enough to act as host for profiles (example: republishing print books) - 1 profile for leisure books, one for work and text books, another for periodicals; need an underlying host grammar, and XHTML2 is ideal for us; XHTML 1.1 too narrow for our basic needs in terms of structure; XHTML2 is the "great cleanup" of XHTML 1.1
Markus Gylling: splitting grammar into to parts: master authoring interface with host grammar that is robust enough to act as host for profiles (example: republishing print books) - 1 profile for leisure books, one for work and text books, another for periodicals; need an underlying host grammar, and XHTML2 is ideal for us; XHTML 1.1 too narrow for our basic needs in terms of structure; XHTML2 is the "great cleanup" of XHTML 1.1 ←
14:56:45 <oedipus> MG: XHTML2 modularity; concept model is stringent and structured enough for us to reuse it
Markus Gylling: XHTML2 modularity; concept model is stringent and structured enough for us to reuse it ←
14:57:05 <oedipus> SP: have in past gotten a lot of criticism for changes made, so good to hear when people think got it right
Steven Pemberton: have in past gotten a lot of criticism for changes made, so good to hear when people think got it right ←
14:57:27 <oedipus> MG: HTML5 makes possible for XHTML2 to remove compromises
Markus Gylling: HTML5 makes possible for XHTML2 to remove compromises ←
14:57:51 <oedipus> SP: correct; haven't finished all discussions, but points of getting rid of compromises, now that HTML5 is being developed in W3C
Steven Pemberton: correct; haven't finished all discussions, but points of getting rid of compromises, now that HTML5 is being developed in W3C ←
14:58:05 <oedipus> TOPIC: Oustanding Actions
14:58:14 <oedipus> Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
14:58:27 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions ←
14:58:53 <oedipus> RM: first 4 "pending review" are shane's
Roland Merrick: first 4 "pending review" are shane's ←
14:59:44 <oedipus> SM: Action 11 - draft policy statement about how we want to migrate modules; circulated and got feedback; i think my action is done (accept christina's comments) then what? needs to be in prominent location
Shane McCarron: ACTION-11 - draft policy statement about how we want to migrate modules; circulated and got feedback; i think my action is done (accept christina's comments) then what? needs to be in prominent location ←
15:00:01 <oedipus> RM: 2 options: 1. link-to from group page or 2. use wiki
Roland Merrick: 2 options: 1. link-to from group page or 2. use wiki ←
15:00:19 <oedipus> RM: put on MarkUp front page -- needs more perceived stability than a wiki
Shane McCarron: put on MarkUp front page -- needs more perceived stability than a wiki ←
15:00:27 <oedipus> s/RM: put/SM: put
15:00:30 <oedipus> RM: agree
Roland Merrick: agree ←
15:00:50 <oedipus> MG: latest version can be found where?
Markus Gylling: latest version can be found where? ←
15:01:24 <oedipus> SM: errata gathering for new edition - proposed by RM in august
Shane McCarron: errata gathering for new edition - proposed by RM in august ←
15:01:51 <oedipus> SM: is right way to do this is "if we identify errata, we will follow W3C process defined here"
Shane McCarron: is right way to do this is "if we identify errata, we will follow W3C process defined here" ←
15:02:15 <oedipus> RM: seems fine to me - these things happen, here is pointer to how W3C process works
Roland Merrick: seems fine to me - these things happen, here is pointer to how W3C process works ←
15:02:31 <oedipus> SM: finish action by adding christina's edits
Shane McCarron: finish action by adding christina's edits ←
15:03:17 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page
ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page ←
15:03:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-36 - - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03]. ←
15:03:30 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML-Mime
15:03:41 <oedipus> SM: updated typos pointed out by RM
Shane McCarron: updated typos pointed out by RM ←
15:03:58 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0027.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0027.html ←
15:04:05 <oedipus> SM: additional 1.0 in appendix B
Shane McCarron: additional 1.0 in appendix B ←
15:04:22 <oedipus> RM: following applies to both; doctype declaration and lang differences between 1.0 and 1.1
Roland Merrick: following applies to both; doctype declaration and lang differences between 1.0 and 1.1 ←
15:04:32 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0023.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0023.html ←
15:04:44 <oedipus> SM: before or after?
Shane McCarron: before or after? ←
15:05:10 <oedipus> RM: have it up front most useful - more people use 1.0 - that's why requested example for 1.0
Roland Merrick: have it up front most useful - more people use 1.0 - that's why requested example for 1.0 ←
15:05:17 <oedipus> SM: primary examples should be 1.0
Shane McCarron: primary examples should be 1.0 ←
15:05:25 <oedipus> RM: yes, shows all features, including @lang
Roland Merrick: yes, shows all features, including @lang ←
15:05:37 <oedipus> SM: leave current action open - will add note as to what i am doing to it
Shane McCarron: leave current action open - will add note as to what i am doing to it ←
15:06:12 <oedipus> RM: response to olivier's proposal?
Roland Merrick: response to olivier's proposal? ←
15:06:21 <oedipus> SM: overcome by events; besides, olivier resigned
Shane McCarron: overcome by events; besides, olivier resigned ←
15:06:30 <oedipus> SP: friday is olivier's last day
Steven Pemberton: friday is olivier's last day ←
15:06:47 <oedipus> RM: are we ready to issue XHTML Mime as new note with changes just discussed
Roland Merrick: are we ready to issue XHTML Mime as new note with changes just discussed ←
15:06:51 <oedipus> SM: +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
15:06:53 <oedipus> RM: +1
Roland Merrick: +1 ←
15:06:59 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 as amended
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 as amended ←
15:07:01 <Steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
15:07:14 <oedipus> RM: anyone think should NOT push new note?
Roland Merrick: anyone think should NOT push new note? ←
15:07:51 <oedipus> RESOLVED: publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting
RESOLVED: publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting ←
15:07:58 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:07:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:09:03 <oedipus> GJR: confusion between title: "XHTML Media Types" and shortname xhtml-mime
Gregory Rosmaita: confusion between title: "XHTML Media Types" and shortname xhtml-mime ←
15:09:53 <oedipus> SM: 3 issues: long title, ref (in brackets in documents - use XHTML Mime in all specs) - url should be same as old URI - should be xhtml-mime
Shane McCarron: 3 issues: long title, ref (in brackets in documents - use XHTML Mime in all specs) - url should be same as old URI - should be xhtml-mime ←
15:10:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/ ←
15:10:15 <oedipus> SP: old URL said note-xhtml-media-types
Steven Pemberton: old URL said note-xhtml-media-types ←
15:10:53 <oedipus> SM: shouldn't be called XHTML Mime, but XHTML Media Types
Shane McCarron: shouldn't be called XHTML Mime, but XHTML Media Types ←
15:11:31 <oedipus> RESOLVED: Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types
RESOLVED: Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types ←
15:11:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: Action 21
15:12:15 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0016.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0016.html ←
15:12:30 <oedipus> SM: need to ensure all references point to xhtml-mime
Shane McCarron: need to ensure all references point to xhtml-mime ←
15:12:34 <oedipus> SM: no errata on 1.0
Shane McCarron: no errata on 1.0 ←
15:12:41 <oedipus> SP: that's amazing
Steven Pemberton: that's amazing ←
15:12:53 <oedipus> SM: errata in second edition
Shane McCarron: errata in second edition ←
15:13:41 <oedipus> RESOLVED: close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0
RESOLVED: close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0 ←
15:14:22 <oedipus> SM: if done same for 1.1 and Basic, can we push them too?
Shane McCarron: if done same for 1.1 and Basic, can we push them too? ←
15:14:26 <oedipus> RM: need to check as WG
Roland Merrick: need to check as WG ←
15:15:00 <oedipus> SM: reasonable to record that 1.1 and Basic ready to go to PER Second Editions as soon as review finalized by RM
Shane McCarron: reasonable to record that 1.1, Print, and Basic ready to go to PER Second Editions as soon as review finalized by RM ←
15:15:23 <oedipus> s/that 1.1 and Basic/ that 1.1, Print, and Basic
15:15:33 <oedipus> RM: waiting on feedback from yam
Roland Merrick: waiting on feedback from yam ←
15:15:37 <oedipus> SP: in process
Steven Pemberton: in process ←
15:15:44 <Steven> I have the text
Steven Pemberton: I have the text ←
15:16:01 <oedipus> RESOLVED: request XHTML 1.1 PER transition
RESOLVED: request XHTML 1.1 PER transition ←
15:16:32 <oedipus> RESOLVED: request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text
RESOLVED: request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text ←
15:17:27 <oedipus> SP: melinda gave ok?
Steven Pemberton: melinda gave ok? ←
15:17:29 <oedipus> SM: yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
15:17:32 <oedipus> SP: pointer?
Steven Pemberton: pointer? ←
15:18:21 <oedipus> SM: please ask melinda to send something to point to?
Shane McCarron: please ask melinda to send something to point to? ←
15:18:29 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to 1.1 Print PER
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to 1.1 Print PER ←
15:18:40 <oedipus> RESOLVED: request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving confirmation from melinda
RESOLVED: request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving confirmation from melinda ←
15:19:12 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print
ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print ←
15:19:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-37 - - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03]. ←
15:19:44 <oedipus> GJR: is that ok, SP?
Gregory Rosmaita: is that ok, SP? ←
15:19:56 <oedipus> SP: will be able to handle small tasks like this during december 2008
Steven Pemberton: will be able to handle small tasks like this during december 2008 ←
15:20:13 <oedipus> RM: just want to get request in - can schedule transition call for january 2009
Roland Merrick: just want to get request in - can schedule transition call for january 2009 ←
15:20:56 <oedipus> RM: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for transition
Roland Merrick: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for transition ←
15:21:17 <oedipus> SP: do we need a comments period? strictly speaking, no conformance changes, so should sail right through
Steven Pemberton: do we need a comments period? strictly speaking, no conformance changes, so should sail right through ←
15:22:02 <oedipus> SM: 1.0 always pointed to Mime Types document; needs to be reissued because of XHTML Mime Types; taken out duplicate material from 1.0
Shane McCarron: 1.0 always pointed to Mime Types document; needs to be reissued because of XHTML Mime Types; taken out duplicate material from 1.0 ←
15:22:44 <oedipus> RESOLVED: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for transition
RESOLVED: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for transition ←
15:22:49 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:22:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:23:13 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition)
ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ←
15:23:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-38 - - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03]. ←
15:23:19 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:23:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:23:44 <oedipus> TOPIC: Additional Completed Actions
15:24:02 <oedipus> RM: Action 10 - GJR
Roland Merrick: ACTION-10 - GJR ←
15:24:14 <oedipus> GJR: no, i have to do data mining - will do after call
Gregory Rosmaita: no, i have to do data mining - will do after call ←
15:24:24 <oedipus> RM: action 14 - Shane?
Roland Merrick: ACTION-14 - Shane? ←
15:24:38 <oedipus> SM: no progress
Shane McCarron: no progress ←
15:24:46 <oedipus> RM: 22 is done
Roland Merrick: 22 is done ←
15:25:58 <oedipus> GJR: action 22 now closed
Gregory Rosmaita: ACTION-22 now closed ←
15:26:24 <oedipus> SM: contacted mark baker about http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/26
Shane McCarron: contacted mark baker about http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/26 ←
15:26:33 <oedipus> SM: RFC left an opening which needs to be plugged
Shane McCarron: RFC left an opening which needs to be plugged ←
15:27:07 <Steven> 3236
Steven Pemberton: 3236 ←
15:27:13 <oedipus> SP: RFC 3236
Steven Pemberton: RFC 3236 ←
15:27:19 <Steven> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3236.txt
Steven Pemberton: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3236.txt ←
15:28:10 <oedipus> GJR: action 26 updated with reference to RFC number and URI
Gregory Rosmaita: ACTION-26 updated with reference to RFC number and URI ←
15:28:58 <oedipus> SP: disposed of issues surrounding disposition of comments which claimed we rejected it - when we hadn't
Steven Pemberton: disposed of issues surrounding disposition of comments which claimed we rejected it - when we hadn't ←
15:29:04 <oedipus> SM: made change before call
Shane McCarron: made change before call ←
15:29:18 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0028.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0028.html ←
15:29:33 <oedipus> SM: Access, Role, and CURIEs at same transition call
Shane McCarron: Access, Role, and CURIEs at same transition call ←
15:30:00 <oedipus> SM: makes sense to do in one call -- Access and Role both point to CURIEs, so have to change pointers if others go to CR
Shane McCarron: makes sense to do in one call -- Access and Role both point to CURIEs, so have to change pointers if others go to CR ←
15:30:15 <oedipus> RM: based on transition call, may have to make editorial changes
Roland Merrick: based on transition call, may have to make editorial changes ←
15:30:28 <oedipus> SM: need to change Access and Role to point to CR version of CURIEs
Shane McCarron: need to change Access and Role to point to CR version of CURIEs ←
15:31:03 <oedipus> TOPIC: Timescale for XHTML2
15:31:16 <oedipus> draft roadmap for XHTML2 for discussion
draft roadmap for XHTML2 for discussion ←
15:31:16 <oedipus> Latest Draft(s) : 2002-08 [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/]
Latest Draft(s) : 2002-08 [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/] ←
15:31:16 <oedipus> Last Editor's Draft: 2007-10-24 [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/]
Last Editor's Draft: 2007-10-24 [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/] ←
15:31:16 <oedipus> Last Call : 2009-03
Last Call : 2009-03 ←
15:31:16 <oedipus> CR : 2009-09
CR : 2009-09 ←
15:31:17 <oedipus> PR : 2009-12
PR : 2009-12 ←
15:31:19 <oedipus> REC : 2010-03
REC : 2010-03 ←
15:32:08 <oedipus> RM: have talked about LC for XHTML2 for 2009-03 -- will we try and do another draft before next call
Roland Merrick: have talked about LC for XHTML2 for 2009-03 -- will we try and do another draft before next call ←
15:32:10 <oedipus> SM: yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
15:32:24 <oedipus> RM: estimated date? can we get done before december?
Roland Merrick: estimated date? can we get done before december? ←
15:32:36 <oedipus> SM: plate cleared for XHTML2
Shane McCarron: plate cleared for XHTML2 ←
15:32:47 <oedipus> SM: big document, please re-read
Shane McCarron: big document, please re-read ←
15:33:01 <oedipus> RM: shoot for new draft this year; draft to review 2 weeks from today
Roland Merrick: shoot for new draft this year; draft to review 2 weeks from today ←
15:33:58 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes
ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes ←
15:33:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-39 - - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-12-03]. ←
15:34:10 <oedipus> SP: next face 2 face?
Steven Pemberton: next face 2 face? ←
15:34:16 <oedipus> RM: february 2009
Roland Merrick: february 2009 ←
15:34:36 <oedipus> RM: should allow us to go through document and make decisions during february meeting; next face2face devoted to XHTML2
Roland Merrick: should allow us to go through document and make decisions during february meeting; next face2face devoted to XHTML2 ←
15:34:56 <oedipus> RESOLVED: next face2face (february 2009) will be dedicated to review and discussion of XHTML2
RESOLVED: next face2face (february 2009) will be dedicated to review and discussion of XHTML2 ←
15:35:11 <oedipus> SP: 3 months of CR is optomistic
Steven Pemberton: 3 months of CR is optimistic ←
15:35:32 <oedipus> s/optomistic/optimistic
15:35:54 <oedipus> SP: CR at 2009-06 have more time for implementation work
Steven Pemberton: CR at 2009-06 have more time for implementation work ←
15:36:19 <oedipus> RESOLVED: change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06
RESOLVED: change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06 ←
15:36:38 <oedipus> SP: @href everywhere and @src everywhere biggest changes
Steven Pemberton: @href everywhere and @src everywhere biggest changes ←
15:36:55 <oedipus> SP: saw somewhere a javascript implementation of @href everywhere
Steven Pemberton: saw somewhere a javascript implementation of @href everywhere ←
15:37:12 <oedipus> RM: will amend WG roadmap on WG page
Roland Merrick: will amend WG roadmap on WG page ←
15:38:33 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html ←
15:38:46 <oedipus> TOPIC: XML Events 2
15:38:49 <Roland> Topic: XML Events 2
15:39:12 <oedipus> RM: replied to comment
Roland Merrick: replied to comment ←
15:39:36 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html ←
15:39:47 <oedipus> RM reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0020.html
RM reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0020.html ←
15:40:22 <ShaneM> I obviously think the summary is perfect.
Shane McCarron: I obviously think the summary is perfect. ←
15:40:39 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to RM's suggestion: "I think you have accurately summarised the discussion. I agree that the sentiment seemed to be that we make DOM 2 the baseline for our requirement and that we would expect that DOM 3 will be compatible with DOM 2 so that we define XE 2 such that it works on either and does not require new features of DOM 3"
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to RM's suggestion: "I think you have accurately summarised the discussion. I agree that the sentiment seemed to be that we make DOM 2 the baseline for our requirement and that we would expect that DOM 3 will be compatible with DOM 2 so that we define XE 2 such that it works on either and does not require new features of DOM 3" ←
15:41:17 <oedipus> RM: dependency on DOM3 shaky - what do we want from DOM3 events that we can't get from DOM2? would it make implementations more difficult?
Roland Merrick: dependency on DOM3 shaky - what do we want from DOM3 events that we can't get from DOM2? would it make implementations more difficult? ←
15:41:36 <oedipus> RM: DOM3 - essential addition: Qnames
Roland Merrick: DOM3 - essential addition: Qnames ←
15:42:29 <oedipus> RM: don't have direct dependence on Qnames - if they are available, great, but if don't have req for Qnames, can we live without it and set DOM2 as baseline, with assumption that DOM3 superset of DOM2 and would include all that is in DOM2
Roland Merrick: don't have direct dependence on Qnames - if they are available, great, but if don't have req for Qnames, can we live without it and set DOM2 as baseline, with assumption that DOM3 superset of DOM2 and would include all that is in DOM2 ←
15:42:32 <oedipus> SP: sounds good
Steven Pemberton: sounds good ←
15:43:05 <oedipus> RM: agreement that DOM2 basis to work with?
Roland Merrick: agreement that DOM2 basis to work with? ←
15:43:22 <oedipus> SP: using DOM3 because in pipleline - nothing in processing model of DOM3 we need not in DOM2
Steven Pemberton: using DOM3 because in pipleline - nothing in processing model of DOM3 we need not in DOM2 ←
15:43:28 <oedipus> RM: conclusion we came to last week
Roland Merrick: conclusion we came to last week ←
15:43:53 <oedipus> RM: change XML Events 2 to say "DOM2 and later"
Roland Merrick: change XML Events 2 to say "DOM2 and later" ←
15:44:23 <oedipus> SP: need to report this to HTCG (hypertext coordination group) - this is the sort of change that may or may not affect other groups, should notify them
Steven Pemberton: need to report this to HTCG (hypertext coordination group) - this is the sort of change that may or may not affect other groups, should notify them ←
15:44:35 <oedipus> RM: note to HTC?
Roland Merrick: note to HTC? ←
15:45:05 <oedipus> ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2
ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 ←
15:45:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - - notify HTC of change of verbiage to \"DOM2 or later\" in XML Events 2 [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-40 - - notify HTC of change of verbiage to \"DOM2 or later\" in XML Events 2 [on Roland Merrick - due 2008-12-03]. ←
15:45:17 <oedipus> RM: other topics?
Roland Merrick: other topics? ←
15:45:35 <oedipus> RM: for those celebrating holiday, happy holiday
Roland Merrick: for those celebrating holiday, happy holiday ←
15:45:36 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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15:45:37 <Zakim> -Roland
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15:45:38 <oedipus> ADJOURN
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15:45:39 <Zakim> -Steven
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15:45:47 <Zakim> -mgylling
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15:45:50 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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15:45:51 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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15:45:53 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, [IPcaller], Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, Roland, mgylling
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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [1]
ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating modules on MarkUp front page [1] ←
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-03-17
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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [2]
ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [2] ←
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-19-12
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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [3]
ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) [3] ←
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-23-13
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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [4]
ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [4] ←
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-33-58
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15:59:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 [5]
ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or later" in XML Events 2 [5] ←
15:59:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc#T15-45-05
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