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13:44:27 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc
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13:44:36 <oedipus> hello, roland, i hope everything is going better...
Gregory Rosmaita: hello, roland, i hope everything is going better... ←
13:45:11 <RolandMerrick> RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html
Roland Merrick: RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html ←
13:45:17 <RolandMerrick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html
13:45:24 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
Roland Merrick: Zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:45:24 <Zakim> ok, RolandMerrick; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, RolandMerrick; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start now ←
13:45:29 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
Gregory Rosmaita: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda ←
13:45:42 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products
Gregory Rosmaita: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products ←
13:46:38 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
13:46:38 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started ←
13:46:43 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
13:46:45 <Zakim> +Roland_Merrick
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland_Merrick ←
13:47:02 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
Roland Merrick: Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland ←
13:47:02 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland; got it ←
13:47:16 <Steven> I am scribing Forms FtF; will attend here on IRC
Steven Pemberton: I am scribing Forms FtF; will attend here on IRC ←
13:47:37 <Zakim> +McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron ←
13:47:41 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
13:47:41 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:47:46 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
Shane McCarron: zakim, McCarron is ShaneM ←
13:47:46 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←
13:47:51 <oedipus> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-xhtml-minutes.html
13:47:55 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:48:09 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:48:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:48:26 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:48:50 <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:48:51 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:49:24 <oedipus> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Weekly Call
13:49:37 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:49:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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13:50:02 <oedipus> regrets+ Mark_Birbeck
regrets+ Mark_Birbeck ←
13:50:21 <oedipus> regrets+ Tina_Holcombe
regrets+ Tina_Holcombe ←
13:50:30 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:50:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
13:52:38 <oedipus> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0016.html
13:53:07 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products ←
13:53:14 <alessio> zakim, code?
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, code? ←
13:53:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), alessio ←
13:54:35 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
13:54:42 <alessio> zakim, ??P44 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P44 is Alessio ←
13:54:42 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
13:55:18 <oedipus> TOPIC: Open Actions in Tracker
13:55:36 <oedipus> RM: 3 against me - haven't gotten to them yet
Roland Merrick: 3 against me - haven't gotten to them yet ←
13:55:41 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/products ←
13:55:43 <alessio> aloha gregory! :)
Alessio Cartocci: aloha gregory! :) ←
13:55:47 <oedipus> RM: Shane - any reply
Roland Merrick: Shane - any reply ←
13:55:58 <oedipus> SM: pinged tag and forgot forms WG
Shane McCarron: pinged tag and forgot forms WG ←
13:56:06 <oedipus> RM: saw comments from noah on list
Roland Merrick: saw comments from noah on list ←
13:56:19 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0015.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Oct/0015.html ←
13:56:46 <oedipus> SM: created and closed action 5
Shane McCarron: created and closed ACTION-5 ←
13:57:06 <oedipus> SM: phrased response as "working group hasn't reviewed..." wasn't couched as WG response,
Shane McCarron: phrased response as "working group hasn't reviewed..." wasn't couched as WG response, ←
13:57:19 <oedipus> RM: if no one objects to SM's post, propose we accept
Roland Merrick: if no one objects to SM's post, propose we accept ←
13:57:22 <oedipus> AC: plus 1
Alessio Cartocci: plus 1 ←
13:57:26 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
13:57:42 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5 ←
13:58:34 <Steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
14:00:12 <oedipus> TOPIC: Clearing Out Old Actions and Issues
14:00:22 <oedipus> RM: how are we managing errata to 1.1
Roland Merrick: how are we managing errata to 1.1 ←
14:00:37 <oedipus> SM: haven't had any -- probably a placeholder from XML Events document
Shane McCarron: haven't had any -- probably a placeholder from XML Events document ←
14:01:06 <oedipus> [fyi] closed and documented WG approval: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5
[fyi] closed and documented WG approval: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/5 ←
14:01:17 <oedipus> SM: don't want to update XML Events 1 spec at this point
Shane McCarron: don't want to update XML Events 1 spec at this point ←
14:01:28 <oedipus> RM: can log as erratum - if becomes necessary, can fold in
Roland Merrick: can log as erratum - if becomes necessary, can fold in ←
14:01:49 <oedipus> SM: W3C Pub Rules - requirement that errata be rolled into updated recs after certain period of time
Shane McCarron: W3C Pub Rules - requirement that errata be rolled into updated recs after certain period of time ←
14:02:11 <oedipus> SM: reason we tend not to do much with errata - rather have people move on to newer recs rather than use old
Shane McCarron: reason we tend not to do much with errata - rather have people move on to newer recs rather than use old ←
14:02:36 <oedipus> RM: useful if get query on this again - keeping track; don't want to lose it
Roland Merrick: useful if get query on this again - keeping track; don't want to lose it ←
14:02:55 <oedipus> GJR: could create issue - XHTML Policy on Errata
Gregory Rosmaita: could create issue - XHTML Policy on Errata ←
14:03:09 <oedipus> SM: link to an errata document - in datespace
Shane McCarron: link to an errata document - in datespace ←
14:03:15 <ShaneM> errata is at http://www.w3.org/2003/10/REC-xml-events-20031014-errata/
Shane McCarron: errata is at http://www.w3.org/2003/10/REC-xml-events-20031014-errata/ ←
14:03:35 <oedipus> SM: no errata in it -- could put in editorial things as errata and check off our list
Shane McCarron: no errata in it -- could put in editorial things as errata and check off our list ←
14:03:45 <oedipus> SM: don't have write-permissions to edit errata
Shane McCarron: don't have write-permissions to edit errata ←
14:04:04 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1
ACTION: Shane - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 ←
14:04:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-6 - - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. ←
14:04:41 <oedipus> RM: next one goes back to XML Events, but XML Events 2
Roland Merrick: next one goes back to XML Events, but XML Events 2 ←
14:04:57 <oedipus> RM: not sure what done about comments -- think dealt with some, status?
Roland Merrick: not sure what done about comments -- think dealt with some, status? ←
14:05:15 <oedipus> SM: suggesting rename attributes -- we can't
Shane McCarron: suggesting rename attributes -- we can't ←
14:05:41 <oedipus> SM: want to use attribute names that would collide with existing global attribute names, which we can't do
Shane McCarron: want to use attribute names that would collide with existing global attribute names, which we can't do ←
14:05:54 <oedipus> RM: put these in as items in action 3
Roland Merrick: put these in as items in ACTION-3 ←
14:06:14 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open ←
14:06:39 <oedipus> RM: will deal with first 2 items with my action
Roland Merrick: will deal with first 2 items with my action ←
14:07:08 <oedipus> SM: avoiding topic due to security concerns
Shane McCarron: avoiding topic due to security concerns ←
14:07:27 <oedipus> RM: will discuss why
Roland Merrick: will discuss why ←
14:07:43 <oedipus> RM: asked to look at HTML5 positioning -- SP still needs to write up that
Roland Merrick: asked to look at HTML5 positioning -- SP still needs to write up that ←
14:08:01 <oedipus> SM: assign action in trackbot
Shane McCarron: assign action in trackbot ←
14:08:44 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording
ACTION: Steven - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording ←
14:08:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-10-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-7 - - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-10-22]. ←
14:09:00 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:09:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:09:18 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/7
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/7 ←
14:09:50 <oedipus> RM: editing newly assigned action item
Roland Merrick: editing newly assigned action item ←
14:10:11 <oedipus> RM: M12n status - follow up activities? XHTML 1.1 SE?
Roland Merrick: M12n status - follow up activities? XHTML 1.1 SE? ←
14:10:25 <Roland> Topic: M12N Status
14:10:26 <Steven> All our XHTML Specs should be PERd
Steven Pemberton: All our XHTML Specs should be PERd ←
14:10:45 <Steven> , tho'if we want to include @target in 1.1, it may be more than a PEr
Steven Pemberton: , tho'if we want to include @target in 1.1, it may be more than a PEr ←
14:10:46 <Steven> not sure
Steven Pemberton: not sure ←
14:11:01 <oedipus> SM: said would send out note on what tasks should be -- steven has chimed in and is right - just need to update all XHTML specs - can't put @target in 1.1 -- needs to go into 1.2
Shane McCarron: said would send out note on what tasks should be -- steven has chimed in and is right - just need to update all XHTML specs - can't put @target in 1.1 -- needs to go into 1.2 ←
14:11:06 <oedipus> GJR: same with @lang
Gregory Rosmaita: same with @lang ←
14:11:22 <ShaneM> we agreed to leave content model of 1.1 alone for the PER
Shane McCarron: we agreed to leave content model of 1.1 alone for the PER ←
14:11:24 <oedipus> RM: waiting for @lang proposal
Roland Merrick: waiting for @lang proposal ←
14:11:39 <Steven> OK, wasn't sure of that
Steven Pemberton: OK, wasn't sure of that ←
14:11:40 <oedipus> RM: 1.1 Basic? what does "all of it" mean?
Roland Merrick: 1.1 Basic? what does "all of it" mean? ←
14:11:48 <Steven> Some people won't be pleased
Steven Pemberton: Some people won't be pleased ←
14:12:03 <ShaneM> XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML + RDFa
Shane McCarron: XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, XHTML Print, XHTML + RDFa ←
14:12:28 <oedipus> RM: Shane can you create proposal
Roland Merrick: Shane can you create proposal ←
14:12:49 <oedipus> SM: plan is to produce updated drafts with schema -- will point to from all drafts will be ready by face2face
Shane McCarron: plan is to produce updated drafts with schema -- will point to from all drafts will be ready by face2face ←
14:13:29 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face
ACTION: Shane - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face ←
14:13:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-8 - - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. ←
14:13:31 <ShaneM> Steven: I know that some people won't be pleased, but W3C mgt team said months ago that we could not make substantive changes to 1.1 - and that we should do it in 1.2
Steven Pemberton: I know that some people won't be pleased, but W3C mgt team said months ago that we could not make substantive changes to 1.1 - and that we should do it in 1.2 [ Scribe Assist by Shane McCarron ] ←
14:13:38 <oedipus> rssagent, please make minutes
rssagent, please make minutes ←
14:13:51 <Steven> ack that
Steven Pemberton: ack that ←
14:13:52 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML MIME type
14:14:01 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtmlmime
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#xhtmlmime ←
14:14:10 <oedipus> comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0000.html
Scribe problem: the name 'comments' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0000.html ←
14:14:24 <oedipus> SM: supposed to respond to opera comments
Shane McCarron: supposed to respond to opera comments ←
14:15:01 <Steven> (By the way, I updated the Activity statement: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Activity)
Steven Pemberton: (By the way, I updated the Activity statement: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Activity) ←
14:15:07 <oedipus> RM: validator stuff
Roland Merrick: validator stuff ←
14:15:14 <oedipus> RM: is that closed?
Roland Merrick: is that closed? ←
14:15:22 <oedipus> SM: overcome by events
Shane McCarron: overcome by events ←
14:15:25 <oedipus> RM: ok
Roland Merrick: ok ←
14:15:46 <oedipus> TOPIC: Other Lingering Actions
14:16:10 <oedipus> SM: finished first action, need to respond to simon
Shane McCarron: finished first action, need to respond to simon ←
14:16:35 <oedipus> RM: comments from september
Roland Merrick: comments from september ←
14:16:38 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0000.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Sep/0000.html ←
14:16:56 <oedipus> RM: went through this - action is for SM to respond?
Roland Merrick: went through this - action is for SM to respond? ←
14:17:01 <oedipus> SM: yes, second action
Shane McCarron: yes, second action ←
14:17:04 <oedipus> RM: plan?
Roland Merrick: plan? ←
14:17:44 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type
ACTION: Shane - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type ←
14:17:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-9 - - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. ←
14:17:57 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/9
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/9 ←
14:19:22 <oedipus> RM: what is bit about "craft text to about transformation of XHTML to HTML"
Roland Merrick: what is bit about "craft text to about transformation of XHTML to HTML" ←
14:19:47 <oedipus> SM: Tina suggested if don't want to follow rules, can server-side transform your documents -- at least mention that that is an option
Shane McCarron: Tina suggested if don't want to follow rules, can server-side transform your documents -- at least mention that that is an option ←
14:20:29 <oedipus> SM: requested "if don't have need to serve things as XML, but still want to use XHTML, should be possible to transform on server side to text/html -- think applies only to XHTML 1.0 -- maybe XHTML 1.1
Shane McCarron: requested "if don't have need to serve things as XML, but still want to use XHTML, should be possible to transform on server side to text/html -- think applies only to XHTML 1.0 -- maybe XHTML 1.1 ←
14:20:36 <oedipus> RM: subject of Mime doc, right?
Roland Merrick: subject of Mime doc, right? ←
14:20:38 <oedipus> SM: no
Shane McCarron: no ←
14:20:44 <oedipus> RM: that's what people think of
Roland Merrick: that's what people think of ←
14:20:49 <oedipus> SM: not used to using others
Shane McCarron: not used to using others ←
14:20:54 <oedipus> RM: what shall we do
Roland Merrick: what shall we do ←
14:21:02 <oedipus> SM: put text into mime document
Shane McCarron: put text into mime document ←
14:21:11 <oedipus> RM: great - another topic out of the way
Roland Merrick: great - another topic out of the way ←
14:21:17 <oedipus> TOPIC: Role Attribute Module
14:21:48 <oedipus> SM: role ready to go -- just waiting on CURIEs - can deliver as package: Role, Access, and CURIEs could go to CR together after f2f if agree we are done
Shane McCarron: role ready to go -- just waiting on CURIEs - can deliver as package: Role, Access, and CURIEs could go to CR together after f2f if agree we are done ←
14:21:52 <oedipus> SM: action on GJR
Shane McCarron: action on GJR ←
14:22:03 <oedipus> GJR: ask PFWG why "similar" inserted into 2.1 of ARIA spec
Gregory Rosmaita: ask PFWG why "similar" inserted into 2.1 of ARIA spec ←
14:22:03 <oedipus> and answser to ShaneM's query about Role and ARIA
and answser to ShaneM's query about Role and ARIA ←
14:22:44 <oedipus> GJR: AlG took action to explain why verbiage changed
Gregory Rosmaita: AlG took action to explain why verbiage changed ←
14:23:13 <oedipus> SVG Issues Under PF Review: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/SVG/Mobile12
SVG Issues Under PF Review: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/SVG/Mobile12 ←
14:23:56 <oedipus> ACTION: Gregory - clear up status of why ARIA says "similar" to role
ACTION: Gregory - clear up status of why ARIA says "similar" to role ←
14:23:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - - clear up status of why ARIA says \"similar\" to role [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2008-10-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - - clear up status of why ARIA says \"similar\" to role [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2008-10-22]. ←
14:24:15 <oedipus> RM: just waiting for CURIE to push Role and Access
Roland Merrick: just waiting for CURIE to push Role and Access ←
14:24:29 <oedipus> RM: try to resolve to move forward at face2face next week
Roland Merrick: try to resolve to move forward at face2face next week ←
14:25:09 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Module
14:25:20 <oedipus> GJR: first one overcome by events and should be dropped
Gregory Rosmaita: first one overcome by events and should be dropped ←
14:25:34 <oedipus> GJR: now we are modularizing Events in next iteration
Gregory Rosmaita: now we are modularizing Events in next iteration ←
14:25:50 <oedipus> GJR: have action to bring up SVG's proposal for attribute 'order' to
Gregory Rosmaita: have action to bring up SVG's proposal for attribute 'order' to ←
14:25:50 <oedipus> ascertain if affects accessibility qua accessibility
ascertain if affects accessibility qua accessibility ←
14:26:29 <oedipus> GJR: discussed 'order' with PFWG and UAAG -- no engineering problems from PF; part of what UAAG 2.0 attempting to address
Gregory Rosmaita: discussed 'order' with PFWG and UAAG -- no engineering problems from PF; part of what UAAG 2.0 attempting to address ←
14:26:55 <oedipus> RM: document way document order access can be interpreted
Roland Merrick: document way document order access can be interpreted ←
14:26:57 <oedipus> SM: done
Shane McCarron: done ←
14:27:18 <oedipus> RM: so Access Module ready to go to CR?
Roland Merrick: so Access Module ready to go to CR? ←
14:27:55 <oedipus> SM: yes - position to do final look over on 3 docs whose editor's drafts i will update: Role Module, Access Module, and CURIEs - should submit as batch
Shane McCarron: yes - position to do final look over on 3 docs whose editor's drafts i will update: Role Module, Access Module, and CURIEs - should submit as batch ←
14:29:06 <oedipus> [fyi] http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/IFrame
[fyi] http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/IFrame ←
14:30:53 <oedipus> GJR: still option to diaable IFRAME in most assistive technology, so a lot of problems not addressed
Gregory Rosmaita: still option to disable IFRAME in most assistive technology, so a lot of problems not addressed ←
14:31:20 <ShaneM> s/diaable/disable/
14:33:38 <oedipus> SM: key to issue: events can't traverse - can't bridge event models
Shane McCarron: key to issue: events can't traverse - can't bridge event models ←
14:33:45 <oedipus> SM: document says "you can't"
Shane McCarron: document says "you can't" ←
14:34:04 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML Features
14:34:44 <oedipus> RM: should have set of features documented as features - when did SCRIPT function, say "this implements a feature, not a namespace"
Roland Merrick: should have set of features documented as features - when did SCRIPT function, say "this implements a feature, not a namespace" ←
14:34:50 <oedipus> old action on shane: Shane create an initial features document that includes the
old action on shane: Shane create an initial features document that includes the ←
14:34:50 <oedipus> features from XML Events 2
features from XML Events 2 ←
14:35:24 <oedipus> RM: redefinition of Events into Handlers Module, Listener Module and Script Module
Roland Merrick: redefinition of Events into Handlers Module, Listener Module and Script Module ←
14:35:33 <oedipus> SM: granularity at module level which makes sense
Shane McCarron: granularity at module level which makes sense ←
14:35:48 <oedipus> SM: might make sense to have fourth feature -- the collection -- wouldn't hurt
Shane McCarron: might make sense to have fourth feature -- the collection -- wouldn't hurt ←
14:35:58 <oedipus> SM: then could say implement all or implement this one
Shane McCarron: then could say implement all or implement this one ←
14:36:30 <oedipus> RM: inclined to get done in another group at moment; suggest once we assign features URIs and get CURIEs for them
Roland Merrick: inclined to get done in another group at moment; suggest once we assign features URIs and get CURIEs for them ←
14:37:24 <oedipus> RM: each feature has own URI, so can check with equivalent of DOMHasFeature to document feature supported; or IMPLEMENT this feature (script module)
Roland Merrick: each feature has own URI, so can check with equivalent of DOMHasFeature to document feature supported; or IMPLEMENT this feature (script module) ←
14:37:31 <oedipus> SM: can we discuss versioning?
Shane McCarron: can we discuss versioning? ←
14:37:46 <oedipus> RM: put on agenda for next week - should spend time at TPAC
Roland Merrick: put on agenda for next week - should spend time at TPAC ←
14:37:55 <oedipus> RM: how to connect script to something smaller than namespace
Roland Merrick: how to connect script to something smaller than namespace ←
14:39:03 <oedipus> GJR: RWAB
Gregory Rosmaita: RWAB ←
14:39:36 <oedipus> RM: bootstrap bit of javascript to implement XML Events 2
Roland Merrick: bootstrap bit of javascript to implement XML Events 2 ←
14:39:53 <oedipus> GJR: RWAB will be roaming -- Charlie Weicha is chair, Steven is also member
Gregory Rosmaita: RWAB will be roaming -- Charlie Weicha is chair, Steven is also member ←
14:40:22 <oedipus> SM: what time is it in cannes right now?
Shane McCarron: what time is it in cannes right now? ←
14:41:18 <Steven> 16:40
Scribe problem: the name '16' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Steven Pemberton Elias Torres Toshihiko Yamakami Michael Rawling Christina Bottomley Tina Holmboe Susan Borgrink Shane McCarron Masataka Yakura Richard Schwerdtfeger John Kugelman Trackbot IRC Bot Alexander Graf Roland Merrick Zakim IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Luca Mascaro Gregory Rosmaita Mark Birbeck Alessio Cartocci Gerrie Shults . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
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14:41:33 <oedipus> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=10&day=20&year=2008&p1=0&p2=159&p3=-1&p4=-1
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=10&day=20&year=2008&p1=0&p2=159&p3=-1&p4=-1 ←
14:42:03 <oedipus> SM: adding @implements independent of XML Events 2 - could do in modularization
Shane McCarron: adding @implements independent of XML Events 2 - could do in modularization ←
14:42:15 <Steven> yes
Steven Pemberton: yes ←
14:42:26 <oedipus> RM: could get module devoted to that quicker than XHTML2
Roland Merrick: could get module devoted to that quicker than XHTML2 ←
14:42:37 <oedipus> SM: make module; make spec
Shane McCarron: make module; make spec ←
14:42:48 <oedipus> RM: want to talk about features
Roland Merrick: want to talk about features ←
14:43:02 <oedipus> TOPIC: Tying up loose ends
14:43:24 <oedipus> SM: transfer action to trackbot to get on agenda for f2f
Shane McCarron: transfer action to trackbot to get on agenda for f2f ←
14:44:12 <oedipus> ACTION: Shane - draft policy statement on migration and evolution
ACTION: Shane - draft policy statement on migration and evolution ←
14:44:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - - draft policy statement on migration and evolution [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - - draft policy statement on migration and evolution [on Shane McCarron - due 2008-10-22]. ←
14:44:42 <ShaneM> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0014.html
Shane McCarron: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0014.html ←
14:45:01 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/11
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/11 ←
14:45:21 <oedipus> RM: MathML entity set published as own document
Roland Merrick: MathML entity set published as own document ←
14:45:28 <oedipus> SM: accepted comments -- that is done
Shane McCarron: accepted comments -- that is done ←
14:45:44 <oedipus> RM: formalizing our examples - should spend time on that - will be agenda item for next week
Roland Merrick: formalizing our examples - should spend time on that - will be agenda item for next week ←
14:46:15 <oedipus> RM: out of time - anything to mention briefly?
Roland Merrick: out of time - anything to mention briefly? ←
14:46:31 <oedipus> RM: one item for next week is clean up all of actions that have been sitting on our agenda
Roland Merrick: one item for next week is clean up all of actions that have been sitting on our agenda ←
14:46:49 <oedipus> RM: no call next wednesday -- face2face -- there is a face2face page on wiki
Roland Merrick: no call next wednesday -- face2face -- there is a face2face page on wiki ←
14:47:56 <oedipus> RM: take shane's proposal and add considering errata to policy statement on migrations and evolution
Roland Merrick: take shane's proposal and add considering errata to policy statement on migrations and evolution ←
14:48:10 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/11
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/11 ←
14:48:54 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-10-TP-FtF
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-10-TP-FtF ←
14:49:08 <oedipus> RM: please watch the f2f wiki page -- will be populating it
Roland Merrick: please watch the f2f wiki page -- will be populating it ←
14:49:09 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:49:11 <oedipus> ADJOURNED
ADJOURNED ←
14:49:13 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:49:16 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:49:17 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:49:17 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:49:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Alessio ←
14:49:48 <oedipus> zakim, please part
zakim, please part ←
14:49:53 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:49:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:50:43 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:50:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
14:51:17 <oedipus> present+ Steven_on_IRC
present+ Steven_on_IRC ←
14:51:21 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:51:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:54:48 <alessio> bye!
Alessio Cartocci: bye! ←
15:30:23 <oedipus> regrets- Tina_Holcombe
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regrets- Tina_Holcombe ←
15:30:55 <Steven> She wasn't sorry?
Steven Pemberton: She wasn't sorry? ←
15:31:12 <oedipus> regrets+ Tina_Holmboe
regrets+ Tina_Holmboe ←
15:31:24 <Steven> :-)
Steven Pemberton: :-) ←
15:31:30 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:31:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:32:55 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
rrsagent, please part ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 [1]
ACTION: Shane - add 2 items to errata for XML Events 1 [1] ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-04-04
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-04-04 ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [2]
ACTION: Steven - Steven to write strawman on XHTML2/HTML5 wording [2] ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-08-44
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-08-44 ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face [3]
ACTION: Shane - produce updated drafts with schema by face2face [3] ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-13-29
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-13-29 ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type [4]
ACTION: Shane - reply to Simon's comments on behalf of Opera in regards XHTML Mime Type [4] ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-17-44
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-17-44 ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregory - clear up status of why ARIA says "similar" to role [5]
ACTION: Gregory - clear up status of why ARIA says "similar" to role [5] ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-23-56
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-23-56 ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane - draft policy statement on migration and evolution [6]
ACTION: Shane - draft policy statement on migration and evolution [6] ←
15:32:55 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-44-12
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/15-xhtml-irc#T14-44-12 ←
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