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13:45:35 <Steven> zakim, this will be XHTML
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13:45:35 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start now
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13:45:43 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
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13:45:56 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:46:00 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:46:28 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0036.html
13:46:39 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0036.html
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0036.html ←
13:46:46 <Steven> regrets: Roland
13:47:39 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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13:47:39 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:47:40 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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13:47:41 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:47:51 <Steven> zakim, drop steven
Steven Pemberton: zakim, drop steven ←
13:47:51 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
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13:47:53 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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13:47:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven
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13:48:30 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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13:48:30 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:48:31 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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13:48:32 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:48:42 <Zakim> +McCarron
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13:48:55 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
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13:48:55 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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13:49:11 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:49:27 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0036.html
Gregory Rosmaita: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0036.html ←
13:50:38 <Zakim> +Tina_Holmboe
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13:51:24 <oedipus> zakim, choose a victim
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13:51:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tina_Holmboe
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tina_Holmboe ←
13:54:21 <oedipus> [fyi] i formally proposed to PF that HTML5 add @role for IMG
Gregory Rosmaita: [fyi] i formally proposed to PF that HTML5 add @role for IMG ←
13:54:35 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
13:55:25 <ShaneM> Topic: Technical Plenary Registration
13:55:46 <ShaneM> Registration is open. Who is planning to come? *crickets*
Registration is open. Who is planning to come? *crickets* ←
13:55:49 <oedipus> GJR: coming good lord willin' and the crick don't rise
Gregory Rosmaita: coming good lord willin' and the crick don't rise [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:56:20 <ShaneM> Tina is unsure if she will have time.
Tina is unsure if she will have time. ←
13:56:56 <ShaneM> Steven thinks it will be very sparsely attended. Will see about organizing a teleconference.
Steven thinks it will be very sparsely attended. Will see about organizing a teleconference. ←
13:57:11 <ShaneM> Topic: Outstanding Reviews
13:57:22 <ShaneM> XSD - not due for another month yet. Mark is doing it.
XSD - not due for another month yet. Mark is doing it. ←
13:57:29 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML M12N PR Status
13:57:49 <ShaneM> We went to PR and it went to a vote.
We went to PR and it went to a vote. ←
13:58:19 <ShaneM> *Steven stretches it out to increase the suspense*
*Steven stretches it out to increase the suspense* ←
13:58:58 <ShaneM> There were a reasonable number of member companies who voted.
There were a reasonable number of member companies who voted. ←
13:59:53 <ShaneM> We did get somebody who sent comments that are not suitable at this point in the review. They are more last call comments.
We did get somebody who sent comments that are not suitable at this point in the review. They are more last call comments. ←
13:59:59 <ShaneM> The person asked for 5 changes to the spec.
The person asked for 5 changes to the spec. ←
14:00:20 <ShaneM> 1) Please define a clear path between CDF and XHTML M12N 1.1
1) Please define a clear path between CDF and XHTML M12N 1.1 ←
14:00:54 <ShaneM> 2) What's the goal of referencing Unicode 4.1?
2) What's the goal of referencing Unicode 4.1? ←
14:01:08 <ShaneM> 3) Please update the reference to the XML specification to 4th edition.
3) Please update the reference to the XML specification to 4th edition. ←
14:01:25 <ShaneM> 4) Update the reference to namespaces in XML to the second edition.
4) Update the reference to namespaces in XML to the second edition. ←
14:01:42 <ShaneM> 5) Informative references points to XLink PR instead of Rec.
5) Informative references points to XLink PR instead of Rec. ←
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14:02:16 <oedipus> SM: not our responsibility to do anything with regard to spec in regards CDF
Shane McCarron: not our responsibility to do anything with regard to spec in regards CDF ←
14:04:17 <oedipus> SM: reference unicode 1.1 and mention that it is updated; not sure that's a change
Shane McCarron: reference unicode 3.1 and mention that it is updated; not sure that's a change ←
14:04:37 <oedipus> SP: normative reference - where referenced from?
Steven Pemberton: normative reference - where referenced from? ←
14:05:18 <oedipus> SM: (checks) - reference in Special Character Entity Set defs as symbol set def; in the DTD implementation itself, defining unicode points that map to ASCII
Shane McCarron: (checks) - reference in Special Character Entity Set defs as symbol set def; in the DTD implementation itself, defining unicode points that map to ASCII ←
14:05:40 <oedipus> SP: "new names do not clash with..." "names are unicode names" - that's the only place
Steven Pemberton: "new names do not clash with..." "names are unicode names" - that's the only place ←
14:06:00 <oedipus> TH: supposed to reference unicode per se? what does requestor want us to reference?
Tina Holmboe: supposed to reference unicode per se? what does requestor want us to reference? ←
14:06:25 <oedipus> SP: comment based on references section - different from XHTML2 which references 1.2
Steven Pemberton: comment based on references section - different from XHTML2 which references 3.2 ←
14:06:36 <oedipus> SM: previous version referenced 3.1 - don't recall changing
Shane McCarron: previous version referenced 3.1 - don't recall changing ←
14:07:07 <oedipus> s/references 1.2/references 3.2
14:07:32 <oedipus> s/reference unicode 1.1/reference unicode 3.1
14:07:44 <oedipus> SP: answer - no difference - just reference most up to date one
Steven Pemberton: answer - no difference - just reference most up to date one ←
14:08:07 <ShaneM> We can reference 4th edition of XML.
Shane McCarron: We can reference 4th edition of XML. ←
14:08:39 <oedipus> TH: version we refer to, versus version requestor wants to reference
Tina Holmboe: version we refer to, versus version requestor wants to reference ←
14:09:05 <oedipus> TH: if changed drastically in XML, then could understand change, but don't reference most up-to-date all the time
Tina Holmboe: if changed drastically in XML, then could understand change, but don't reference most up-to-date all the time ←
14:09:19 <oedipus> SM: provide links to latest version often
Shane McCarron: provide links to latest version often ←
14:09:28 <oedipus> SM: these are a year-and-a-half old
Shane McCarron: these are a year-and-a-half old ←
14:09:39 <oedipus> SM: no diff marked version of namespaces spec
Shane McCarron: no diff marked version of namespaces spec ←
14:11:22 <oedipus> TH: see point, but as dev, prefer when document a refers to document b.x - can compare better knowing dates and changes
Tina Holmboe: see point, but as dev, prefer when document a refers to document b.x - can compare better knowing dates and changes ←
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14:12:35 <ShaneM> Shane: The second edition of namespaces is harmless
Shane McCarron: The second edition of namespaces is harmless [ Scribe Assist by Shane McCarron ] ←
14:12:57 <ShaneM> Steven proposes we say we will not do the CDF thing, that it does not matter we reference 4.1, and that we will make the changes to the other references.
Shane McCarron: Steven proposes we say we will not do the CDF thing, that it does not matter we reference 4.1, and that we will make the changes to the other references. ←
14:13:22 <ShaneM> Steven will get his OK on this.
Shane McCarron: Steven will get his OK on this. ←
14:13:33 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to update the references.
ACTION: Shane to update the references. ←
14:13:41 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to reply to the commentor.
ACTION: Steven to reply to the commentor. ←
14:14:17 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven get M12N published as a Recommendation with the changes applied.
ACTION: Steven get M12N published as a Recommendation with the changes applied. ←
14:14:46 <ShaneM> ACTION2=Steven to reply to M12N commentor about how we will address their M12N objections.
Shane McCarron: ACTION-2=Steven to reply to M12N commentor about how we will address their M12N objections. ←
14:15:00 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1
14:15:10 <ShaneM> All good - everything is fine.
Shane McCarron: All good - everything is fine. ←
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14:16:27 <oedipus> SM: ian jacobs asked me to make a change so that our implementations are in markup space, but a fixed version in TR space; can do this and will do it before Rec
Shane McCarron: ian jacobs asked me to make a change so that our implementations are in markup space, but a fixed version in TR space; can do this and will do it before Rec ←
14:16:38 <oedipus> SM: fits in with "cool URIs don't change"
Shane McCarron: fits in with "cool URIs don't change" ←
14:16:51 <oedipus> SM: have to do for M12n, anyway
Shane McCarron: have to do for M12n, anyway ←
14:16:59 <oedipus> SP: changes to XML 4th edition, and so on?
Steven Pemberton: changes to XML 4th edition, and so on? ←
14:17:21 <oedipus> SM: just thought it was a friendly observation, so made change to references
Shane McCarron: just thought it was a friendly observation, so made change to references ←
14:17:55 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to update XHTML M12N DTD links so that there are versions in TR space and MarkUp space, as per XHTML Basic 1.1
ACTION: Shane to update XHTML M12N DTD links so that there are versions in TR space and MarkUp space, as per XHTML Basic 1.1 ←
14:18:18 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access and SVG Request
14:18:39 <oedipus> SM: 2 diff collections of SVG things - one bag not formally responded to; made most changes except for one request
Shane McCarron: 2 diff collections of SVG things - one bag not formally responded to; made most changes except for one request ←
14:19:17 <oedipus> SM: topic this week about adding @order to access - dougS was at last week's meeting; thought we had agreement, then reconsidered; took doug's wording and tweaked it and he didn' like it
Shane McCarron: topic this week about adding @order to access - dougS was at last week's meeting; thought we had agreement, then reconsidered; took doug's wording and tweaked it and he didn' like it ←
14:19:31 <oedipus> SM: philosophic difference -
Shane McCarron: philosophic difference - ←
14:19:55 <oedipus> SM: i need to withdraw myself from decision path
Shane McCarron: i need to withdraw myself from decision path ←
14:19:57 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0031.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0031.html ←
14:20:30 <oedipus> SM: Doug thinks should describe positive behaviors, when docs written in conflict with standard, and i think we shouldn't - describe either no behavior or negative behavior
Shane McCarron: Doug thinks should describe positive behaviors, when docs written in conflict with standard, and i think we shouldn't - describe either no behavior or negative behavior ←
14:20:42 <oedipus> SP: agree - if conflict, just a bad doc and don't have to address
Steven Pemberton: agree - if conflict, just a bad doc and don't have to address ←
14:20:49 <oedipus> SM: traditional approach - could go further
Shane McCarron: traditional approach - could go further ←
14:20:58 <oedipus> SP: wants us to define what a duplicate id does
Steven Pemberton: wants us to define what a duplicate id does ←
14:21:13 <oedipus> SM: positively, and that should work in violation of the principles of the ML
Shane McCarron: positively, and that should work in violation of the principles of the ML ←
14:21:31 <oedipus> TH: if write broken documents, expect bad results
Tina Holmboe: if write broken documents, expect bad results ←
14:22:18 <oedipus> SM: always said that underlying protocols rule; if dependent on HTTP, can't define behavior that violates HTTP, and so on;
Shane McCarron: always said that underlying protocols rule; if dependent on HTTP, can't define behavior that violates HTTP, and so on; ←
14:22:24 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to SM
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to SM ←
14:23:06 <oedipus> SM: doug's other point is that access module is useful outside of XHTML and XML and should define it so can be used in other places; don't have scope, is an XHTML module,
Shane McCarron: doug's other point is that access module is useful outside of XHTML and XML and should define it so can be used in other places; don't have scope, is an XHTML module, ←
14:23:43 <oedipus> SP: not chartered to do it; ocassionally extended boundaries (XML Events, for example) - not just to work with our stuff, but everyone's but that was within XML framework
Steven Pemberton: not chartered to do it; ocassionally extended boundaries (XML Events, for example) - not just to work with our stuff, but everyone's but that was within XML framework ←
14:24:17 <oedipus> TH: that is the problem - within XML framework; scope Doug talks about is use in theoretical MLs that don't exist or are not XML based
Tina Holmboe: that is the problem - within XML framework; scope Doug talks about is use in theoretical MLs that don't exist or are not XML based ←
14:24:51 <oedipus> SM: what i heard was "how to use in HTML5" - want to use access in SVG, so should NOT be a problem with Access, because it is all XML
Shane McCarron: what i heard was "how to use in HTML5" - want to use access in SVG, so should NOT be a problem with Access, because it is all XML ←
14:25:02 <oedipus> SP: should work with SVG, think we are good to go
Steven Pemberton: should work with SVG, think we are good to go ←
14:25:04 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
14:25:33 <oedipus> SM: doug proposed what happened when 2 diff IDs - added scenario to draft encased in @ signs
Shane McCarron: doug proposed what happened when 2 diff IDs - added scenario to draft encased in @ signs ←
14:25:39 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-access-20080809/#sec_3.1.3.
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-access-20080809/#sec_3.1.3. ←
14:26:50 <oedipus> SP: sounds like we are all of one mind that should define rules for broken stuff
Steven Pemberton: sounds like we are all of one mind that should define rules for broken stuff ←
14:27:02 <ShaneM> in particular rules that have positive behavior.
Shane McCarron: in particular rules that have positive behavior. ←
14:27:17 <oedipus> TH: no - really should NOT define rules for both content within scope of XML to satisfy needs of HTML5
Tina Holmboe: no - really should NOT define rules for both content within scope of XML to satisfy needs of HTML5 ←
14:27:23 <ShaneM> The current wording reads "Also note: When processing an invalid document, if there are duplicate ids, element groups based on targetid values may contain multiple values, just like those of targetrole values."
Shane McCarron: The current wording reads "Also note: When processing an invalid document, if there are duplicate ids, element groups based on targetid values may contain multiple values, just like those of targetrole values." ←
14:27:56 <oedipus> http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/AccesskeyRequirements
http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/AccesskeyRequirements ←
14:28:13 <oedipus> SM: say wither "invalid document, behavior is undefined" or nothing
Shane McCarron: say wither "invalid document, behavior is undefined" or nothing ←
14:28:18 <oedipus> SP: strongly feel NOTHING
Steven Pemberton: strongly feel NOTHING ←
14:28:21 <oedipus> TH: agree
Tina Holmboe: agree ←
14:28:25 <oedipus> GJR: violently agree
Gregory Rosmaita: violently agree ←
14:28:38 <oedipus> SM: valid XML document shouldn't get to application layer anyway
Shane McCarron: valid XML document shouldn't get to application layer anyway ←
14:28:43 <Zakim> -Tina_Holmboe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina_Holmboe ←
14:28:46 <oedipus> SM: going to remove sentence
Shane McCarron: going to remove sentence ←
14:28:49 <Tina> ... that was fun
Tina Holmboe: ... that was fun ←
14:28:51 <oedipus> SP: agreed
Steven Pemberton: agreed ←
14:28:55 <oedipus> GJR: agreed
Gregory Rosmaita: agreed ←
14:28:59 <Tina> Agreed - tho I fell out.
Tina Holmboe: Agreed - tho I fell out. ←
14:29:21 <oedipus> SP: since speaking about Access, whole bunch of comments from i18n
Steven Pemberton: since speaking about Access, whole bunch of comments from i18n ←
14:29:34 <Zakim> +Tina_Holmboe
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14:30:40 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0008.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0008.html ←
14:31:03 <oedipus> SM: one which most concerns me is keycodes and characters - isn't clear that this section (3.1.2.) didn't take into account keycode and key produced by pressing key (reads from post refered to above)
Shane McCarron: one which most concerns me is keycodes and characters - isn't clear that this section (3.1.2.) didn't take into account keycode and key produced by pressing key (reads from post refered to above) ←
14:31:15 <oedipus> TH: that is an application / implementation problem
Tina Holmboe: that is an application / implementation problem ←
14:31:38 <oedipus> SM: character in document character set - how one gets to that is up to app
Shane McCarron: character in document character set - how one gets to that is up to app ←
14:32:38 <oedipus> TH: implementation side - use access key with this symbol and do this action - how implementation triggers accesskey, may be through eye-blinking entry - may press key-combo - whether press key combo to create specific char in specific char set, is implementation decision
Tina Holmboe: implementation side - use access key with this symbol and do this action - how implementation triggers accesskey, may be through eye-blinking entry - may press key-combo - whether press key combo to create specific char in specific char set, is implementation decision ←
14:32:43 <oedipus> TH: cites opera model
Tina Holmboe: cites opera model ←
14:32:50 <oedipus> GJR: agree that opera model best yet available
Gregory Rosmaita: agree that opera model best yet available ←
14:33:29 <oedipus> TH: shouldn't say "have to press these specific keys" to get action; don't specify how, but structural construct is path to useability and accessibility
Tina Holmboe: shouldn't say "have to press these specific keys" to get action; don't specify how, but structural construct is path to useability and accessibility ←
14:34:06 <oedipus> TH: shouldn't be Access Module that tells one how to get keystroke generated, just provide means
Tina Holmboe: shouldn't be Access Module that tells one how to get keystroke generated, just provide means ←
14:35:06 <oedipus> TH: should NOT define specific mechanism
Tina Holmboe: should NOT define specific mechanism ←
14:35:41 <ShaneM> The key attribute is an abstraction layer - how the user agent maps to that is up to the user agent. That's the whole point.
Shane McCarron: The key attribute is an abstraction layer - how the user agent maps to that is up to the user agent. That's the whole point. ←
14:35:44 <oedipus> TH: asian characters and glyphs from non-western scripts - user can use shortcut command to optimize functionality
Tina Holmboe: asian characters and glyphs from non-western scripts - user can use shortcut command to optimize functionality ←
14:35:49 <oedipus> http://a11y.org/kafs
14:35:55 <oedipus> http://a11y.org/kafs-gta
14:36:16 <oedipus> SP: agree entirely - we speak of characters, not keys -- way to get particular character is application-dependent
Steven Pemberton: agree entirely - we speak of characters, not keys -- way to get particular character is application-dependent ←
14:36:35 <oedipus> SP: different entry methods to enter extended / accented characters
Steven Pemberton: different entry methods to enter extended / accented characters ←
14:36:47 <oedipus> SP: nothing we can say about it, save that it is UA dependent
Steven Pemberton: nothing we can say about it, save that it is UA dependent ←
14:36:57 <oedipus> TH: use word "symbol" instead of "key"
Tina Holmboe: use word "symbol" instead of "key" ←
14:37:12 <oedipus> http://gok.ca (GNOME on screen keyboard)
http://gok.ca (GNOME on screen keyboard) ←
14:37:25 <Steven> The invocation of access keys depends on the implementation. For instance, on some systems one may have to press an "alt" or "cmd" key in addition to the access key.
Steven Pemberton: The invocation of access keys depends on the implementation. For instance, on some systems one may have to press an "alt" or "cmd" key in addition to the access key. ←
14:37:28 <oedipus> TH: most often keypress, can be activated by other means, not in our scope, though
Tina Holmboe: most often keypress, can be activated by other means, not in our scope, though ←
14:37:50 <oedipus> SP: change to "or anything else that might happen"
Steven Pemberton: change to "or anything else that might happen" ←
14:38:04 <oedipus> SM: or other user agent defined mechanisms for exposing shortcuts defined by access
Shane McCarron: or other user agent defined mechanisms for exposing shortcuts defined by access ←
14:38:19 <oedipus> TH: can configure opera to trigger access key with mouse gestures
Tina Holmboe: can configure opera to trigger access key with mouse gestures ←
14:38:38 <ShaneM> "or other user agent defined mechanisms that expose the abstraction made available by the access element and its key attribute."
Shane McCarron: "or other user agent defined mechanisms that expose the abstraction made available by the access element and its key attribute." ←
14:38:39 <oedipus> GJR: Opera+Voice accesskey implementation works
Gregory Rosmaita: Opera+Voice accesskey implementation works ←
14:38:58 <oedipus> TH: list of shortcuts in document
Tina Holmboe: list of shortcuts in document ←
14:39:02 <oedipus> SP: target change
Steven Pemberton: target change ←
14:39:38 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
14:39:48 <oedipus> TH: hard read at first, but covers it well, so ok
Tina Holmboe: hard read at first, but covers it well, so ok ←
14:39:52 <oedipus> SP: good
Steven Pemberton: good ←
14:40:05 <oedipus> SP: 2 other comments from i18n
Steven Pemberton: 2 other comments from i18n ←
14:40:13 <oedipus> SP: comment 2 and comment 4
Steven Pemberton: comment 2 and comment 4 ←
14:40:17 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0006.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0006.html ←
14:41:00 <oedipus> SP: emphasizing visually role of key in label - problematic in non-western text
Steven Pemberton: emphasizing visually role of key in label - problematic in non-western text ←
14:41:17 <oedipus> SM: more basic problem with this text
Shane McCarron: more basic problem with this text ←
14:41:20 <oedipus> GJR: from UAAG
Gregory Rosmaita: from UAAG ←
14:41:48 <oedipus> SM: concern is we explicitly permit (and perhaps require) end users to over-ride mapping; how does that affect rendering if remap
Shane McCarron: concern is we explicitly permit (and perhaps require) end users to over-ride mapping; how does that affect rendering if remap ←
14:42:05 <oedipus> GJR: programmatically not an issue
Gregory Rosmaita: programmatically not an issue ←
14:42:14 <oedipus> SM: agree, but have to state that
Shane McCarron: agree, but have to state that ←
14:42:40 <oedipus> TH: key="x" include x in label text, user changes to p, UA should remap action to p
Tina Holmboe: key="x" include x in label text, user changes to p, UA should remap action to p ←
14:43:09 <oedipus> TH: should we reverse this text - if UA understands access keys and can identify the key in the label text, should emphasize it for user
Tina Holmboe: should we reverse this text - if UA understands access keys and can identify the key in the label text, should emphasize it for user ←
14:43:41 <oedipus> TH: right now says, author should include key - if user overrides key, then UA needs to pick up on it; but what if new key not in label? loose benefit
Tina Holmboe: right now says, author should include key - if user overrides key, then UA needs to pick up on it; but what if new key not in label? loose benefit ←
14:43:59 <oedipus> SP: principle is to have keys all in one set and diff sets in diff modalities
Steven Pemberton: principle is to have keys all in one set and diff sets in diff modalities ←
14:45:26 <oedipus> GJR: not opposed to anything said about access -- "visibility" in non-modal sense is stress of UAAG 2.0 drafting
Gregory Rosmaita: not opposed to anything said about access -- "visibility" in non-modal sense is stress of UAAG 2.0 drafting ←
14:45:38 <oedipus> SP: more to discuss - continue on list
Steven Pemberton: more to discuss - continue on list ←
14:45:41 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to go through I18N comments and propose specific changes.
ACTION: Shane to go through I18N comments and propose specific changes. ←
14:45:50 <oedipus> TH: have to discuss on list - other potential problems
Tina Holmboe: have to discuss on list - other potential problems ←
14:46:14 <Zakim> -Steven
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14:46:16 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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14:46:27 <ShaneM> ACTION: Tina to propose new text about how the access element @key value is exposed in labels.
ACTION: Tina to propose new text about how the access element @key value is exposed in labels. ←
14:46:39 <oedipus> i/SM: ian/ScribeNick: oedipus
14:46:51 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:46:54 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
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14:47:12 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:47:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tina_Holmboe
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tina_Holmboe ←
14:47:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ShaneM, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, Steven ←
14:47:17 <Steven> zakim, drop tina
Steven Pemberton: zakim, drop tina ←
14:47:19 <Zakim> Tina_Holmboe is being disconnected
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14:47:21 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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14:47:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Tina_Holmboe
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Tina_Holmboe ←
14:47:30 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:47:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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14:48:13 <oedipus> i/SM: not our/ScribeNick: oedipus
14:48:35 <oedipus> zakim, please part
zakim, please part ←
14:50:43 <oedipus> i/SM: not our/ScribeNick+ oedipus
14:50:50 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:51:48 <oedipus> i/Shane: The second/ScribeNick+ ShaneM
14:51:56 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:52:58 <oedipus> s/Access and SVG Request/Access Module: SVG and i18n Requests/Comments
14:53:01 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:54:21 <oedipus> s/Access and SVG Request/Access Module - SVG and i18n Requests/Comments
14:54:24 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:55:10 <oedipus> s/TOPIC: Access and SVG Request/TOPIC: Access Module - SVG and i18n Requests/Comments
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14:55:13 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:59:37 <oedipus> s/Access and SVG Request/Access Module - SVG and i18n Requests & Comments
14:59:43 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:15:49 <Steven> yes
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Steven Pemberton: yes ←
15:16:05 <Steven> rrsagent, bye
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, bye ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update the references. [1]
ACTION: Shane to update the references. [1] ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-13-33
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-13-33 ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven to reply to M12N commentor about how we will address their M12N objections. [2]
ACTION: Steven to reply to M12N commentor about how we will address their M12N objections. [2] ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-13-41
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-13-41 ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven get M12N published as a Recommendation with the changes applied. [3]
ACTION: Steven get M12N published as a Recommendation with the changes applied. [3] ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-14-17
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-14-17 ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update XHTML M12N DTD links so that there are versions in TR space and MarkUp space, as per XHTML Basic 1.1 [4]
ACTION: Shane to update XHTML M12N DTD links so that there are versions in TR space and MarkUp space, as per XHTML Basic 1.1 [4] ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-17-55
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-17-55 ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to go through I18N comments and propose specific changes. [5]
ACTION: Shane to go through I18N comments and propose specific changes. [5] ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-45-41
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-45-41 ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tina to propose new text about how the access element @key value is exposed in labels. [6]
ACTION: Tina to propose new text about how the access element @key value is exposed in labels. [6] ←
15:16:05 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-46-27
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-xhtml-irc#T14-46-27 ←
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