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Zakim IRC Bot: ok, kaz; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 1 minute ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Kazuyuki, +04670855aaaa, Shepazu, Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven_, ShaneM, alessio, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, oedipus, shepazu, Tina, Steven, Lachy ←

Unknown Doug: Having reviewed XML Events 2, I didn't see any incompatibilities ←

Gregory Rosmaita: q+ to say that he has a question to pose on behalf of the PFWG on the @order attribute as long as shepazu is here ←

Roland Merrick: We have no dependencies on the mutation events, but what is the problem? ←

... but it is something that requires a significant change, and performance hit for browsers ←

Gregory Rosmaita: q+ to say question from PFWG - "Does mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order OK, or does it pose problems, and if so what problems?" (i am supposed to be asking this as a "babe in the woods" and not a member of XHTML2 WG ←

Steven Pemberton: XML Events is just a syntactic binding to DOM Events, so it would be bad if there was a clash ←

Shane McCarron: q+ to discussion how this might effect the XHTML Access module ←

Unknown Doug: I do have a couple of minor comments on XML Events 2; I will send them in ←

Roland Merrick: We want to go to last call really soon; what is the status of DOM 3 Events? ←

Steven Pemberton: independent of qnames and curies - Dom3 uses event space and event name - 2 are never combined into URI as such; up to syntax, not Dom3 - would be surprised if you have to mention curies; whichever you use, they will work identically [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←

Steven Pemberton: But you have a namespace, and an event name; they never get combined into a URI, so QNames are a better choice if you have to use them at all ←

Steven Pemberton: use case for "while" being able to delete all elements in a tree that match a certain condition [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←

Steven Pemberton: Being able to delete all noeds that match a certain condition ←

Zakim IRC Bot: oedipus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +04670855aaaa (13%), Alessio (94%), Shepazu (69%) ←

Steven Pemberton: To allow people to be able to use something already defined wihtout having to invent it themselves (as with XML Events 1) ←

Gregory Rosmaita: XML2 Events will eventual break out into Handler, Listener, and Script module ←

Zakim IRC Bot: oedipus, you wanted to say question from PFWG - "Does mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order OK, or does it pose problems, and if so what problems?" (i am ←

Zakim IRC Bot: ... supposed to be asking this as a "babe in the woods" and not a member of XHTML2 WG ←

Gregory Rosmaita: With @order, we want people to be able to go through primary content, and then secondary content and so on. ←

Shane McCarron: possible to make stateless if defined "if no item that would be selected has focus currently, start with first one in document order, otherwise find next one in navigation order [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←

Unknown DS: jump to Bs with mouse, when in there, can keyboard navigate the Bs [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←

Roland Merrick: When will you publish your next draft, and what stage will it be at? ←

Steven Pemberton: I haven't scratched the surface of my email since I got back last night. I'll keep you in touch ←

... and I'm not sure that there is a right answer. We took it over from HTML4 ←

Gregory Rosmaita: "The term 'access key' seems to be used to refer to the value of the key attribute in one part of this section, and to a key on a physical keyboard in other places." ←

Unknown shepazu: I also raised a similar point, and I think you should use the keyIdentifier ←

Steven Pemberton: what do people do in japan with keyboard shortcuts? idea is use a key that matches a character [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←

Gregory Rosmaita: "It isn't clear that this section has taken into account the potential difference between key codes and the characters that may result from a key press on a given keyboard. It seems to assume that the character on a key cap == the key code identifier == the character produced by pressing that key == the character that is the value of the key attribute." - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0008.html ←

Unknown kaz: input "nihon" -(Imput Method software converts it to)-> "日本" ←

Gregory Rosmaita: thought we agreed to 3 modules from Events: Handler, Listener, and Script ←

Steven Pemberton: No, we didn't think CURIEs had architectural ramifications ←

Steven Pemberton: Their FtF is September, ours October, so we can accomodate them with no pain ←

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Kazuyuki, +04670855aaaa, Shepazu, Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio, Steven, +1.914.255.aabb, Tina_Holmboe ←

XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

Minutes of 06 August 2008

1. DOM 3 Events and XML Events 2

2. M12N

3. Access

4. CURIEs

5. AOB