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13:30:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc
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13:30:55 <Roland_M> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0022.html
13:31:01 <Roland_M> Zakim, list
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Scribe problem: the name 'Roland_M' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Roland_M: Zakim, list ←
13:31:01 <Zakim> I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM active ←
13:31:02 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are IA_XHTML2()9:45AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are IA_XHTML2()9:45AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM ←
13:31:14 <Roland_M> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
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Scribe problem: the name 'Roland_M' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Roland_M: Zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:31:14 <Zakim> ok, Roland_M; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Roland_M; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes ←
13:32:12 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:32:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:32:19 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:32:51 <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:32:57 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:33:05 <Roland> Regrets: Steven, Mark
13:33:22 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:33:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:42:48 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started ←
13:42:55 <Zakim> +McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: +McCarron ←
13:43:00 <Zakim> +Roland_Merrick
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland_Merrick ←
13:43:37 <Zakim> +Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina ←
13:43:39 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here ←
13:43:39 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?' ←
13:43:45 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
Shane McCarron: zakim, who is here? ←
13:43:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see McCarron, Roland_Merrick, Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see McCarron, Roland_Merrick, Tina ←
13:43:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, RRSAgent, Zakim, Roland, Lachy, Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see ShaneM, RRSAgent, Zakim, Roland, Lachy, Tina ←
13:43:55 <ShaneM> zakim, mccarron is ShaneM
Shane McCarron: zakim, mccarron is ShaneM ←
13:43:56 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←
13:44:26 <Roland> Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
Roland Merrick: Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland ←
13:44:26 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland; got it ←
13:48:08 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
13:48:27 <alessio> zakim, ??P3 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P3 is Alessio ←
13:48:27 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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13:49:08 <ShaneM> Scibe: ShaneM
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Unknown Scibe: ShaneM [ Scribe Assist by Shane McCarron ] ←
13:49:15 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
13:49:27 <ShaneM> Topic: Passwords in the Clear
13:49:36 <ShaneM> Response was sent. DONE.
Response was sent. DONE. ←
13:50:18 <ShaneM> Topic: XSD Review
13:50:19 <ShaneM> Ongoing
Ongoing ←
13:50:30 <ShaneM> Topic: CR Transition Status
13:50:39 <ShaneM> Roland sent a follow up - no action in three weeks.
Roland sent a follow up - no action in three weeks. ←
13:51:50 <ShaneM> Topic: Role Attribute Module
13:52:20 <ShaneM> No updates.
No updates. ←
13:52:50 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1 Transition
13:53:27 <ShaneM> Basically we r done - DTDs might live in MarkUp and date space. depends on powers that be.
Basically we r done - DTDs might live in MarkUp and date space. depends on powers that be. ←
13:53:32 <ShaneM> Publication of Rec on 29 July.
Publication of Rec on 29 July. ←
13:53:47 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Modularization Transition to Rec
13:55:08 <ShaneM> Review period ended. No news on status.
Review period ended. No news on status. ←
13:55:47 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML 1.1 Second Edition
13:56:00 <ShaneM> Waiting on M12N to get to Rec. Ready to go.
Waiting on M12N to get to Rec. Ready to go. ←
13:56:08 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Access Module
13:58:39 <ShaneM> Shane's actions: working on navigation order and SVG response ongoing.
Shane's actions: working on navigation order and SVG response ongoing. ←
13:59:00 <ShaneM> Action on adding child emements in M12N is complete - this is relatively easy to do. DTDs have hooks and Schema you define the content model on the fly.
Action on adding child emements in M12N is complete - this is relatively easy to do. DTDs have hooks and Schema you define the content model on the fly. ←
14:01:45 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080526/#sec_3.1.2.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080526/#sec_3.1.2. ←
14:03:21 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to fix table of contents in Access Module - the links to sections are wrong in some cases.
ACTION: Shane to fix table of contents in Access Module - the links to sections are wrong in some cases. ←
14:07:09 <ShaneM> Discussion of what is really meant by navigation order...
Discussion of what is really meant by navigation order... ←
14:10:16 <ShaneM> If we were to say that the navigation order was the order of values in targetid, would that help? What would it mean if you had another intervening navigation event... does it restart the sequence of access key selections?
If we were to say that the navigation order was the order of values in targetid, would that help? What would it mean if you had another intervening navigation event... does it restart the sequence of access key selections? ←
14:10:25 <ShaneM> Alessio agrees it is not a simple case...
Alessio agrees it is not a simple case... ←
14:12:16 <ShaneM> Roland suggests we enumerate the possibilities just so we can make a good decision.
Roland suggests we enumerate the possibilities just so we can make a good decision. ←
14:13:01 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to document the ways navigation order / access could be interpreted. Group will then pick one and we will move on.
ACTION: Shane to document the ways navigation order / access could be interpreted. Group will then pick one and we will move on. ←
14:15:39 <ShaneM> Tina mentions that it would be interesting to have an element in which you could specify the list of IDs in "navigation order".
Tina mentions that it would be interesting to have an element in which you could specify the list of IDs in "navigation order". ←
14:15:58 <ShaneM> Topic: XML Events 2
14:16:47 <ShaneM> Mark sent a note Monday about how the script element might be trickier than we thought w.r.t. backward compatibility.
Mark sent a note Monday about how the script element might be trickier than we thought w.r.t. backward compatibility. ←
14:17:07 <ShaneM> Suggested we bring back the handler element as well.
Suggested we bring back the handler element as well. ←
14:17:44 <ShaneM> Roland has been thinking about this, and agrees there is value in having both.
Roland has been thinking about this, and agrees there is value in having both. ←
14:19:01 <ShaneM> Could possibly introduce a way to say that the handler for an action is a function as opposed to a URI
Could possibly introduce a way to say that the handler for an action is a function as opposed to a URI ←
14:19:48 <ShaneM> Roland points out that this problem existed in XML Events 1 already.
Roland points out that this problem existed in XML Events 1 already. ←
14:22:01 <ShaneM> If there is a function attribute, the function gets passed the event context. so @function takes a function name
If there is a function attribute, the function gets passed the event context. so @function takes a function name ←
14:22:14 <ShaneM> <action event="whatever" function="someFunction">
<action event="whatever" function="someFunction"> ←
14:23:35 <ShaneM> Shane asks when @handler when there is @function? Roland mentions that there are XForms declarative examples that might make sense.
Shane asks when @handler when there is @function? Roland mentions that there are XForms declarative examples that might make sense. ←
14:26:33 <ShaneM> So @handler ONLY refers to specific elements that are part of the language, and any custom handlers an author wants are implemented in a scripting language and referenced via @handler
So @function ONLY refers to specific elements that are part of the language, and any custom handlers an author wants are implemented in a scripting language and referenced via @function ←
14:26:39 <ShaneM> s/@handler/@function/
14:28:00 <ShaneM> Shane mentions that @function might make sense on the listener as well (and in the global attribute collection)
Shane mentions that @function might make sense on the listener as well (and in the global attribute collection) ←
14:28:06 <ShaneM> Roland thinks it probably does.
Roland thinks it probably does. ←
14:28:58 <ShaneM> Roland mentioned that the Chair of the DOM3 Events group mentioned that they have been making some changes and we should sync up.
Roland mentioned that the Chair of the DOM3 Events group mentioned that they have been making some changes and we should sync up. ←
14:29:08 <ShaneM> No follow up as yet, but we should keep an eye out.
No follow up as yet, but we should keep an eye out. ←
14:29:47 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Features
14:29:56 <ShaneM> This continues...
This continues... ←
14:30:38 <ShaneM> All actions continue.
All actions continue. ←
14:31:00 <Roland> XML Entity definitions for Characters
Roland Merrick: XML Entity definitions for Characters ←
14:31:07 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xml-entity-names-20080721/
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xml-entity-names-20080721/ ←
14:31:54 <ShaneM> Topic: RDFa Syntax status
14:34:17 <ShaneM> CR is complete, no real objections.
CR is complete, no real objections. ←
14:34:29 <ShaneM> Roland raised the issue of @rel values. These are defined in the XHTML Vocatulary space
Roland raised the issue of @rel values. These are defined in the XHTML Vocatulary space ←
14:34:35 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab ←
14:37:23 <ShaneM> We own the collection of values - if any one wants to extend the base reserved word collection they need to come to us.
We own the collection of values - if any one wants to extend the base reserved word collection they need to come to us. ←
14:38:26 <ShaneM> Topic; XHTML 2 status update
Topic; XHTML 2 status update ←
14:40:10 <ShaneM> Script element is tricky in the content model...
Script element is tricky in the content model... ←
14:40:42 <ShaneM> there are attributes that conflict and seem to have different semantics.
there are attributes that conflict and seem to have different semantics. ←
14:42:42 <ShaneM> Roland will try to summarize the script issues.
Roland will try to summarize the script issues. ←
14:43:03 <ShaneM> Topic: Validator and error messages
14:43:26 <ShaneM> The validator will tell people to use <li/> in an XHTML document.
The validator will tell people to use <li/> in an XHTML document. ←
14:43:37 <ShaneM> Should we ask them to NOT give that advice?
Should we ask them to NOT give that advice? ←
14:44:25 <ShaneM> ACTION: Tina will try to dig up a document in the wild that gives "bad" advice and send an example to the mailing list.
ACTION: Tina will try to dig up a document in the wild that gives "bad" advice and send an example to the mailing list. ←
14:45:07 <Zakim> -Tina
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tina ←
14:45:12 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:45:16 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:45:21 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:45:23 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:45:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Tina, ShaneM, Roland, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Tina, ShaneM, Roland, Alessio ←
14:45:34 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:45:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
14:46:15 <Roland> zakim, please part
Roland Merrick: zakim, please part ←
14:46:29 <Roland> rrsagent, please part
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, please part ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to fix table of contents in Access Module - the links to sections are wrong in some cases. [1]
ACTION: Shane to fix table of contents in Access Module - the links to sections are wrong in some cases. [1] ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-03-21
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-03-21 ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to document the ways navigation order / access could be interpreted. Group will then pick one and we will move on. [2]
ACTION: Shane to document the ways navigation order / access could be interpreted. Group will then pick one and we will move on. [2] ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-13-01
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-13-01 ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tina will try to dig up a document in the wild that gives "bad" advice and send an example to the mailing list. [3]
ACTION: Tina will try to dig up a document in the wild that gives "bad" advice and send an example to the mailing list. [3] ←
14:46:29 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-44-25
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-44-25 ←
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