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13:32:50 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-xhtml-irc ←
13:33:11 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
Roland Merrick: Zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:33:11 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, RolandMerrick
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, RolandMerrick ←
13:33:19 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, list
Roland Merrick: Zakim, list ←
13:33:19 <Zakim> I see Team_W3M()8:00AM, SEC_WSCWG(F2F)2:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: I see Team_W3M()8:00AM, SEC_WSCWG(F2F)2:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes ←
13:34:04 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:34:04 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven ←
13:34:08 <RolandMerrick> dunno :-(
Roland Merrick: dunno :-( ←
13:34:10 <Steven> huh?
Steven Pemberton: huh? ←
13:35:20 <Steven> true
Steven Pemberton: true ←
13:35:20 <Steven> zakim was weird yesterday too
Steven Pemberton: zakim was weird yesterday too ←
13:35:46 <RolandMerrick> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:36:08 <RolandMerrick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0021.html
13:36:15 <RolandMerrick> Chair: Roland
13:36:26 <RolandMerrick> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:36:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-xhtml-minutes.html RolandMerrick
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-xhtml-minutes.html RolandMerrick ←
13:36:36 <RolandMerrick> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:37:15 <Steven> zakim, this will be ia
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be ia ←
13:37:16 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven ←
13:37:25 <Steven> zakim,this will be html
Steven Pemberton: zakim,this will be html ←
13:37:27 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven ←
13:37:34 <Steven> weird
Steven Pemberton: weird ←
13:38:42 <Roland> this happened to me yesterday, could call in as usual though.
Roland Merrick: this happened to me yesterday, could call in as usual though. ←
13:39:01 <oedipus> yeah, zakim works as a bridge, but nothing else
Gregory Rosmaita: yeah, zakim works as a bridge, but nothing else ←
13:40:19 <Roland> I have dialed in and all seems "normal"
Roland Merrick: I have dialed in and all seems "normal" ←
13:42:07 <Steven> zakim, this is xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this is xhtml ←
13:42:07 <Zakim> ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:45AM ←
13:42:34 <Steven> apparently someone has to dial in for Zakim to get it
Steven Pemberton: apparently someone has to dial in for Zakim to get it ←
13:43:03 <Steven> 04Zakim-bot does not have today's schedule loaded; if Zakim says "I do not see a conference" before your conf is started then dial-in to start your conference and say "this is ..."01""
Steven Pemberton: 04Zakim-bot does not have today's schedule loaded; if Zakim says "I do not see a conference" before your conf is started then dial-in to start your conference and say "this is ..."01"" ←
13:43:23 <Steven> found on sysreq irc channel
Steven Pemberton: found on sysreq irc channel ←
13:43:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
13:44:18 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:45:46 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-mobile ←
13:45:47 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
13:45:48 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
13:46:44 <Steven> There is a national adsl breakdown since 3am yesterday
Steven Pemberton: There is a national adsl breakdown since 3am yesterday ←
13:46:51 <Steven> so I am using my cell for both the call and IP...
Steven Pemberton: so I am using my cell for both the call and IP... ←
13:47:06 <oedipus> so you're the one who sounds like they are in a submarine?
Gregory Rosmaita: so you're the one who sounds like they are in a submarine? ←
13:47:13 <Steven> sounds quality rather poor
Steven Pemberton: sounds quality rather poor ←
13:48:29 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
13:48:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven ←
13:48:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roland, ShaneM, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, Steven, Lachy, Tina, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Roland, ShaneM, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, Steven, Lachy, Tina, krijnh ←
13:49:07 <Roland> Regrets: Mark
13:49:25 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
13:49:25 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
13:49:30 <oedipus> scribeNick: oedipus
13:49:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: Outstanding Reviews
13:50:02 <Steven> zakim, ??P6 is Alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P6 is Alessio ←
13:50:02 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
13:50:07 <oedipus> RM: only 2 people and myself at last week's meeting -- nothing happened
Roland Merrick: only 2 people and myself at last week's meeting -- nothing happened ←
13:50:24 <oedipus> RM: review for XML Base?
Roland Merrick: review for XML Base? ←
13:50:29 <oedipus> Steven: no
Steven Pemberton: no ←
13:50:40 <oedipus> RM: june face 2 face -- has everyone filled in form?
Roland Merrick: june face 2 face -- has everyone filled in form? ←
13:50:44 <Steven> s/ies/y's/
Steven Pemberton: s/ies/y's/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
13:51:22 <oedipus> Steven action to review XML Base by 30 June continued
Steven action to review XML Base by 30 June continued ←
13:51:32 <Roland> F2F Registration form: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2ftf200806/
Roland Merrick: F2F Registration form: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2ftf200806/ ←
13:51:36 <Tina> The f2f has fallen out of my list. Will get to it.
Tina Holmboe: The f2f has fallen out of my list. Will get to it. ←
13:52:01 <Steven> Maybe do it entirely remotely?
Steven Pemberton: Maybe do it entirely remotely? ←
13:52:02 <oedipus> RM: reads face2face page -- only 3 people listed as attendees
Roland Merrick: reads face2face page -- only 3 people listed as attendees ←
13:52:11 <oedipus> RM: worthwhile? what are people's intentions?
Roland Merrick: worthwhile? what are people's intentions? ←
13:52:22 <oedipus> RM: yam will be on IRC rather than in person
Roland Merrick: yam will be on IRC rather than in person ←
13:52:28 <oedipus> GJR: cannot attend
Gregory Rosmaita: cannot attend ←
13:52:45 <oedipus> RM: steven, shane and roland will attend
Roland Merrick: steven, shane and roland will attend ←
13:52:52 <oedipus> GJR: yes by phone and IRC
Gregory Rosmaita: yes by phone and IRC ←
13:53:13 <oedipus> Alessio: will attend remotely
Alessio Cartocci: will attend remotely ←
13:53:28 <oedipus> Steven: do entire F2F remotely?
Steven Pemberton: do entire F2F remotely? ←
13:53:37 <oedipus> Tina: will attend remotely
Tina Holmboe: will attend remotely ←
13:53:57 <oedipus> RM: MarkB unknown status
Roland Merrick: MarkB unknown status ←
13:54:12 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
13:54:13 <oedipus> SM: MarkB travelling most of may, disinclined to travel in june
Shane McCarron: MarkB travelling most of may, disinclined to travel in june ←
13:54:15 <Steven> XHTML2
13:54:17 <ShaneM> oops
Shane McCarron: oops ←
13:54:30 <Steven> s/XHTML2//
13:54:46 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
13:54:53 <Steven> Mark says he can't attend in person, can attend remotely
Steven Pemberton: Mark says he can't attend in person, can attend remotely ←
13:54:55 <oedipus> RM: once get mark's answer, will consider moving dates, moving location, keeping dates and location, doing whole remotely or whatever circumstances dictate
Roland Merrick: once get mark's answer, will consider moving dates, moving location, keeping dates and location, doing whole remotely or whatever circumstances dictate ←
13:55:22 <oedipus> RM: question: people can do remotely -- is the problem the location?
Roland Merrick: question: people can do remotely -- is the problem the location? ←
13:55:27 <oedipus> GJR: no
Gregory Rosmaita: no ←
13:55:43 <oedipus> Alessio: financial and logistic problem
Alessio Cartocci: financial and logistic problem ←
13:55:47 <Tina> Ditto
Tina Holmboe: Ditto ←
13:56:21 <oedipus> GJR cannot attend due to health problems and such
GJR cannot attend due to health problems and such ←
13:56:28 <Steven> Mark says the problem is availability of time
Steven Pemberton: Mark says the problem is availability of time ←
13:56:50 <Steven> I concur that it is silly for three to travel
Steven Pemberton: I concur that it is silly for three to travel ←
13:56:52 <oedipus> RM: only 3 people attending doesn't sound wise for those 3 to travel - might as well all be equal and have a virtual f2f
Roland Merrick: only 3 people attending doesn't sound wise for those 3 to travel - might as well all be equal and have a virtual f2f ←
13:57:00 <Steven> We should try and set up a remote meeting then
Steven Pemberton: We should try and set up a remote meeting then ←
13:57:08 <oedipus> GJR: plus 1 to SP
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 to SP ←
13:57:19 <oedipus> RM: shall we resolve to have virtual f2f?
Roland Merrick: shall we resolve to have virtual f2f? ←
13:57:21 <Steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
13:57:21 <oedipus> GJR: yes
Gregory Rosmaita: yes ←
13:57:26 <ShaneM> +1 I guess
Shane McCarron: +1 I guess ←
13:57:51 <Tina> ... not *alot*, anyway ... ;)
Tina Holmboe: ... not *alot*, anyway ... ;) ←
13:57:58 <oedipus> RM: what would be a workable time-slot for all of us?
Roland Merrick: what would be a workable time-slot for all of us? ←
13:58:03 <Tina> ShaneM: that reminds me, need a quick word afterwards.
Shane McCarron: that reminds me, need a quick word afterwards. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
13:58:23 <oedipus> RM: shane is UTC minus 5 -- furthest west?
Roland Merrick: shane is UTC minus 5 -- furthest west? ←
13:58:37 <oedipus> SM: gerrie schultz (last name spelled incorrectly)
Shane McCarron: gerrie schultz (last name spelled incorrectly) ←
13:58:43 <oedipus> SM: easy to shift schedule
Shane McCarron: easy to shift schedule ←
13:58:46 <oedipus> GJR: same for me
Gregory Rosmaita: same for me ←
13:58:56 <Steven> Our flexible friend
Steven Pemberton: Our flexible friend ←
13:59:18 <oedipus> RM: will suggest logistics - probably 3 hour chuncks
Roland Merrick: will suggest logistics - probably 3 hour chuncks ←
13:59:31 <Steven> how many chunks?
Steven Pemberton: how many chunks? ←
13:59:31 <Steven> 2?
Steven Pemberton: 2? ←
13:59:32 <oedipus> RM: will confer next week on RM's proposed logistics
Roland Merrick: will confer next week on RM's proposed logistics ←
13:59:42 <oedipus> TOPIC: CURIE Syntax
13:59:51 <oedipus> RM: in last call; received a bit of feedback
Roland Merrick: in last call; received a bit of feedback ←
14:00:02 <oedipus> TOPIC: Role Module
14:00:09 <oedipus> RM: ended last call on 10 may 2008
Roland Merrick: ended last call on 10 may 2008 ←
14:00:12 <Steven> SVG sent comments last week
Steven Pemberton: SVG sent comments last week ←
14:00:39 <oedipus> RM: dialog with WAI about Access Module and placement of ARIA role names into XHTML namespace
Roland Merrick: dialog with WAI about Access Module and placement of ARIA role names into XHTML namespace ←
14:00:47 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008AprJun/0024.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008AprJun/0024.html ←
14:00:47 <oedipus> SP: SVG comment from last thursday
Steven Pemberton: SVG comment from last thursday ←
14:01:07 <oedipus> SM: forwarded to issue tracker system -- in "incoming" bucket -- moving to "Role" bucket now
Shane McCarron: forwarded to issue tracker system -- in "incoming" bucket -- moving to "Role" bucket now ←
14:01:16 <oedipus> RM: vocab document dialog
Roland Merrick: vocab document dialog ←
14:01:36 <oedipus> SM: not critical path for spec; vocab doc will develop independently and should let it do so
Shane McCarron: not critical path for spec; vocab doc will develop independently and should let it do so ←
14:02:04 <Tina> On topic of Access Module and ARIA: am doing a brief presentation at a Swedish IT professionals organisation, Monday 19th, on topic of XHTML 2 WG. If anyone have input on that topic, feel free to contact me directly.
Tina Holmboe: On topic of Access Module and ARIA: am doing a brief presentation at a Swedish IT professionals organisation, Monday 19th, on topic of XHTML 2 WG. If anyone have input on that topic, feel free to contact me directly. ←
14:02:10 <oedipus> RM: where are normative definitions -- SM response on list; should consider -- vocab document something machine-processable at run-time -- seems to me should be normative like schema or DTD
Roland Merrick: where are normative definitions -- SM response on list; should consider -- vocab document something machine-processable at run-time -- seems to me should be normative like schema or DTD ←
14:02:21 <oedipus> SM: not saying not normative, just not part of spec
Shane McCarron: not saying not normative, just not part of spec ←
14:02:31 <oedipus> RM: question posed by AlG -- is it a normative document
Roland Merrick: question posed by AlG -- is it a normative document ←
14:02:42 <oedipus> SM: will have to reread question in light of RM's comments
Shane McCarron: will have to reread question in light of RM's comments ←
14:03:07 <oedipus> TOPIC: Steve Bratt on Transition
14:03:12 <oedipus> RM: REALLY dragging on...
Roland Merrick: REALLY dragging on... ←
14:03:47 <oedipus> SP: sent email yesterday; got unclear reply -- not clear what root of problem is, so tried again
Steven Pemberton: sent email yesterday; got unclear reply -- not clear what root of problem is, so tried again ←
14:04:09 <oedipus> RM: yam sent email to list -- can't refer to spec -- holding up other OMA specs
Roland Merrick: yam sent email to list -- can't refer to spec -- holding up other OMA specs ←
14:04:17 <oedipus> SM: holding up other specs for us, too
Shane McCarron: holding up other specs for us, too ←
14:04:21 <oedipus> RM: not just us
Roland Merrick: not just us ←
14:04:33 <oedipus> SP: no formal reply to transition request
Steven Pemberton: no formal reply to transition request ←
14:04:43 <oedipus> RM: causing problems for OMA
Roland Merrick: causing problems for OMA ←
14:05:01 <oedipus> RM: biggest problem for OMA isn't Basic transition, but M12n
Roland Merrick: biggest problem for OMA isn't Basic transition, but M12n ←
14:05:30 <oedipus> RM: don't undestand delay -- especially without explanation
Roland Merrick: don't undestand delay -- especially without explanation ←
14:05:48 <oedipus> TOPIC: RDFa Syntax
14:06:02 <oedipus> RM: different comments from TAG
Roland Merrick: different comments from TAG ←
14:06:28 <oedipus> SM: the core of issue is something we discussed long time ago -- XHTML+SVG media type -- request from TAG to change doc to permit RDF
Shane McCarron: the core of issue is something we discussed long time ago -- XHTML+SVG media type -- request from TAG to change doc to permit RDF ←
14:06:48 <oedipus> SM: TAG commented about mediatypes and RDFa - felt need to update media doc
Shane McCarron: TAG commented about mediatypes and RDFa - felt need to update media doc ←
14:07:10 <oedipus> SP: thought we said we didn't see what problem was
Steven Pemberton: thought we said we didn't see what problem was ←
14:07:17 <oedipus> SM: right -- did you convey that to TAG?
Shane McCarron: right -- did you convey that to TAG? ←
14:07:43 <oedipus> SM: background - TAG has document working on - NormW updated this week, still states need media type to change
Shane McCarron: background - TAG has document working on - NoahM updated this week, still states need media type to change ←
14:07:56 <oedipus> s/NormW/NoahM
14:09:01 <oedipus> SM: talked with noah privately, now understand what is going on -- semantic web and announcements: how do things that are part of semantic web know that content might contain RDF -- how helping with RDFa syntax; don't think is an issue for this WG -- don't need to do anything with mediatype and want to ascertain if we have stated that to TAG and if not, we should now
Shane McCarron: talked with noah privately, now understand what is going on -- semantic web and announcements: how do things that are part of semantic web know that content might contain RDF -- how helping with RDFa syntax; don't think is an issue for this WG -- don't need to do anything with mediatype and want to ascertain if we have stated that to TAG and if not, we should now ←
14:09:05 <Roland> The Self-Describing Web : http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2008-05-12.html
Roland Merrick: The Self-Describing Web : http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments-2008-05-12.html ←
14:09:29 <oedipus> SM: TAG suggestion: update mediatype to affirm that RDF can be served
Shane McCarron: TAG suggestion: update mediatype to affirm that RDF can be served ←
14:09:38 <oedipus> SM: not necessary
Shane McCarron: not necessary ←
14:09:46 <oedipus> SP: send again to TAG
Steven Pemberton: send again to TAG ←
14:10:30 <oedipus> steven's existing action: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-xhtml-minutes.html#action06
steven's existing action: recorded in ACTION-06">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-06 ←
14:10:31 <Roland> existing action : http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-xhtml-minutes.html#action06
Roland Merrick: existing action : ACTION-06">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/20-xhtml-minutes.html#ACTION-06 ←
14:11:03 <oedipus> SM: meanwhile will get task force to respond to Noah's draft -- bigger response could be made, but want to put to bed
Shane McCarron: meanwhile will get task force to respond to Noah's draft -- bigger response could be made, but want to put to bed ←
14:11:14 <Steven> I'm sorry. I think I confused that with my other action wrt the TAG
Steven Pemberton: I'm sorry. I think I confused that with my other action wrt the TAG ←
14:11:21 <oedipus> RM: is that all on RDFa side? still another couple of outstanding actions
Roland Merrick: is that all on RDFa side? still another couple of outstanding actions ←
14:11:54 <oedipus> SM: XML data set; want to leave other actions open -- need more dialog on rel attribute; have sent out email, but so far no replies
Shane McCarron: XML data set; want to leave other actions open -- need more dialog on rel attribute; have sent out email, but so far no replies ←
14:12:14 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Module
14:12:32 <oedipus> RM: GJR emailed Access Module rewording to list today (14 may 2008)
Roland Merrick: GJR emailed Access Module rewording to list today (14 may 2008) ←
14:12:37 <oedipus> SM: not had time to read
Shane McCarron: not had time to read ←
14:13:23 <Roland> GJR note: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0023.html
Roland Merrick: GJR note: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0023.html ←
14:13:54 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
14:14:04 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/AccessModule/
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/AccessModule/ ←
14:14:05 <yamx> zakim, ??P2 is yamx.
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P2 is yamx. ←
14:14:05 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:19:01 <ShaneM> Shane asked about the definition of "session". Gregory will try to find a reference.
Shane McCarron: Shane asked about the definition of "session". Gregory will try to find a reference. ←
14:19:34 <ShaneM> Shane asked why everything is "should" instead of "must". Gregory indicated they did not want to use MUST because it is too strong.
Shane McCarron: Shane asked why everything is "should" instead of "must". Gregory indicated part of the UAWG did not want to use MUST because it is too strong. ←
14:19:47 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/KeyMappingBinding/Talk
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/KeyMappingBinding/Talk ←
14:22:41 <oedipus> User agents <ins>MUST</ins> provide mechanisms for overriding the author setting
User agents <ins>MUST</ins> provide mechanisms for overriding the author setting ←
14:22:41 <oedipus> with user-specified settings in order to ensure that the act of moving
with user-specified settings in order to ensure that the act of moving ←
14:22:41 <oedipus> content focus does not cause the user agent to take any further action,
content focus does not cause the user agent to take any further action, ←
14:22:41 <oedipus> as required by UAAG 1.0, Checkpoint 9.5. [1]
as required by UAAG 1.0, Checkpoint 9.5. [1] ←
14:23:13 <ShaneM> There is an assertion missing from @key about MUST be able to override. Gregory agreed to add it back.
Shane McCarron: There is an assertion missing from @key about MUST be able to override. Gregory agreed to add it back. ←
14:25:10 <oedipus> s/they did not/part of the UAWG did not
14:26:11 <oedipus> RESOLUTION: accept changes proposed by GJR as well as those agreed to at this meeting; GJR will repost to public-xhtml2 ASAP
RESOLVED: accept changes proposed by GJR as well as those agreed to at this meeting; GJR will repost to public-xhtml2 ASAP ←
14:26:48 <oedipus> TOPIC: XML Events 2
14:26:49 <oedipus> RM: done updates to XML Events 2 following f2f should work through review and take to last call asap
Roland Merrick: done updates to XML Events 2 following f2f should work through review and take to last call asap ←
14:26:55 <Steven> please add resolution to go to last call
Steven Pemberton: please add resolution to go to last call ←
14:27:03 <Steven> (only the scribe can do it)
Steven Pemberton: (only the scribe can do it) ←
14:27:19 <oedipus> RESOLUTION: Access Module will go to last call as ammended
RESOLVED: Access Module will go to last call as amended ←
14:28:06 <oedipus> RM: XML Events 2 draft ready to for publich review in preparation for transition to last call -- perhaps next week
Roland Merrick: XML Events 2 draft ready to for publish review in preparation for transition to last call -- perhaps next week ←
14:28:18 <oedipus> s/publich/publish
14:28:29 <Steven> s/ammended/amended/
14:28:48 <oedipus> RM: would like to go through Alessio's work on frames and iframe
Roland Merrick: would like to go through Alessio's work on frames and iframe ←
14:29:02 <oedipus> RM: read email from 2 weeks ago -- are you connected AC?
Roland Merrick: read email from 2 weeks ago -- are you connected AC? ←
14:29:05 <Steven> I would also like to report back on XTech conference
Steven Pemberton: I would also like to report back on XTech conference ←
14:29:24 <oedipus> AC: only begining of possible work on object strengthening
Alessio Cartocci: only begining of possible work on object strengthening ←
14:29:32 <oedipus> RM: talk us through it at next week's call?
Roland Merrick: talk us through it at next week's call? ←
14:29:34 <oedipus> AC: yes
Alessio Cartocci: yes ←
14:29:41 <oedipus> RM: will put specifically on agenda
Roland Merrick: will put specifically on agenda ←
14:30:41 <oedipus> SP: feedback from XTech Conference: gave an XForms presentation -- very well received; discovered 2 more implementations didn't previously know of, but biggest joyous suprise was popularity of RDFa - major sites already adopting it, quite a buzz
Steven Pemberton: feedback from XTech Conference: gave an XForms presentation -- very well received; discovered 2 more implementations didn't previously know of, but biggest joyous suprise was popularity of RDFa - major sites already adopting it, quite a buzz ←
14:31:13 <oedipus> RM: clear up how to treat RDFa in HTML with TAG
Roland Merrick: clear up how to treat RDFa in HTML with TAG ←
14:31:15 <Steven> Also got interviewd by BBC on the HTML5/XHTML2 thing
Steven Pemberton: Also got interviewd by BBC on the HTML5/XHTML2 thing ←
14:31:26 <Steven> will be posted on blip.tv
Steven Pemberton: will be posted on blip.tv ←
14:32:03 <Steven> THat's a good solution: we can do that in no time
Steven Pemberton: THat's a good solution: we can do that in no time ←
14:32:23 <Steven> (that=changing the xhtml ns doc)
Steven Pemberton: (that=changing the xhtml ns doc) ←
14:32:41 <Steven> q+
Steven Pemberton: q+ ←
14:33:08 <Tina> Speaking of implementations ... if not implementation per se: there's work being done to start checking for ARIA and other similar techniques by my company's quality testing tool. No details as of yet.
Tina Holmboe: Speaking of implementations ... if not implementation per se: there's work being done to start checking for ARIA and other similar techniques by my company's quality testing tool. No details as of yet. ←
14:33:21 <Steven> ack me
Steven Pemberton: ack me ←
14:33:24 <oedipus> SM: TBL has suggested that change XHTML namespace doc so that if RDF processor is following its nose, it knows magically that any XHTML document might contain RDFa; a GRDDL processor can get RDF out of any XHTML document - very exiting from 50,000 foot level (enable semantic web); implication - any document will contain triples despite work we've done - strips announcement mechanism -- author can use doctype or version to declare using RDFa -- need to encoura
Shane McCarron: TBL has suggested that change XHTML namespace doc so that if RDF processor is following its nose, it knows magically that any XHTML document might contain RDFa; a GRDDL processor can get RDF out of any XHTML document - very exiting from 50,000 foot level (enable semantic web); implication - any document will contain triples despite work we've done - strips announcement mechanism -- author can use doctype or version to declare using RDFa -- need to encoura ←
14:34:25 <oedipus> SP: all of a sudden a bunch of docs containing triples -- all they do is represent a formal semantic way or implying that this is part of XHTML and this is part of RDFa -- don't know why objection to relationship statements; being extracted in RDF is only real concern -- what is being done with it
Steven Pemberton: all of a sudden a bunch of docs containing triples -- all they do is represent a formal semantic way or implying that this is part of XHTML and this is part of RDFa -- don't know why objection to relationship statements; being extracted in RDF is only real concern -- what is being done with it ←
14:34:38 <oedipus> SM: relationships there in that there is a @rel with a value
Shane McCarron: relationships there in that there is a @rel with a value ←
14:35:07 <oedipus> SM: doesn't mean that i as author not committing to architechture; semantic web about a contract -- this is where draw the line -- have to state where appropriate
Shane McCarron: doesn't mean that i as author not committing to architechture; semantic web about a contract -- this is where draw the line -- have to state where appropriate ←
14:35:50 <oedipus> RM: trying to ascertain how to say document more than one thing -- can write a bunch of valid XHTML 1.x and valid XHTML Mobile Profile and XHTML Basic -- aught to be able to claim conformance to all
Roland Merrick: trying to ascertain how to say document more than one thing -- can write a bunch of valid XHTML 1.x and valid XHTML Mobile Profile and XHTML Basic -- aught to be able to claim conformance to all ←
14:36:01 <Steven> I don't see the problem of extracting the relationships as RDF; the reationships are really there; all that has changed is representing them as RDF
Steven Pemberton: I don't see the problem of extracting the relationships as RDF; the reationships are really there; all that has changed is representing them as RDF ←
14:36:09 <Steven> it is like changing a JPG to PNG
Steven Pemberton: it is like changing a JPG to PNG ←
14:36:10 <oedipus> RM: one of these AND one of these AND one of these
Roland Merrick: one of these AND one of these AND one of these ←
14:36:15 <Steven> the information is the same
Steven Pemberton: the information is the same ←
14:36:22 <oedipus> RM: i am one of these - by implication i am not one of those
Roland Merrick: i am one of these - by implication i am not one of those ←
14:36:49 <oedipus> SM: if claim is can write valid Xfoo - validator should validate; if not valid XHTML Mobile, then it is not
Shane McCarron: if claim is can write valid Xfoo - validator should validate; if not valid XHTML Mobile, then it is not ←
14:37:15 <oedipus> RM: version, doctype or mimetypes -- all contain info about pieces of compound document -- too many ways of talking about content
Roland Merrick: version, doctype or mimetypes -- all contain info about pieces of compound document -- too many ways of talking about content ←
14:37:36 <oedipus> SM: proposal
Shane McCarron: proposal ←
14:38:02 <oedipus> RM: addressed when discussed script ennumeration of features -- describe features and not the content
Roland Merrick: addressed when discussed script ennumeration of features -- describe features and not the content ←
14:38:18 <Steven> it might be my keyboard
Steven Pemberton: it might be my keyboard ←
14:38:25 <oedipus> RM: knee-jerk capabilities need to be considered
Roland Merrick: knee-jerk capabilities need to be considered ←
14:38:43 <oedipus> SM: have thought about way of saying "this doc is using a collection of features X" and that is of potential interest
Shane McCarron: have thought about way of saying "this doc is using a collection of features X" and that is of potential interest ←
14:38:53 <oedipus> SM: might be proposed syntax from 8 years ago
Shane McCarron: might be proposed syntax from 8 years ago ←
14:39:13 <oedipus> RM: more and more messy as enter mashup and fragment world -- fragment should assert what it is, not parent
Roland Merrick: more and more messy as enter mashup and fragment world -- fragment should assert what it is, not parent ←
14:39:24 <Steven> <link rel="stylesheet" href="s.css"/> says "this document uses a stylesheet called "s.css"
Steven Pemberton: <link rel="stylesheet" href="s.css"/> says "this document uses a stylesheet called "s.css" ←
14:39:28 <oedipus> SM: wonderful concept, but cobbling together arbitrary content is problematic
Shane McCarron: wonderful concept, but cobbling together arbitrary content is problematic ←
14:39:28 <Steven> so does:
Steven Pemberton: so does: ←
14:39:46 <Steven> <> html:stylesheet <s.css>
Steven Pemberton: <> html:stylesheet <s.css> ←
14:39:50 <oedipus> RM: if created valid SVG can assert it is valid and can be part of embedded SVG
Roland Merrick: if created valid SVG can assert it is valid and can be part of embedded SVG ←
14:40:04 <oedipus> GJR: question out of ignorance - can XPath be leveraged?
Gregory Rosmaita: question out of ignorance - can XPath be leveraged? ←
14:40:19 <Steven> q+
Steven Pemberton: q+ ←
14:40:22 <oedipus> FIVE MINUTE WARNING
FIVE MINUTE WARNING ←
14:40:30 <oedipus> ack steven
ack steven ←
14:40:55 <oedipus> SP: what do we do about this -- plan change to NS that XHTML docs may contain GRDDL profile and RDFa encoding?
Steven Pemberton: what do we do about this -- plan change to NS that XHTML docs may contain GRDDL profile and RDFa encoding? ←
14:41:38 <oedipus> SM: talked with TBL and danC about this -- just change doc at end of NS so has declaration, so that magica can ocurr -- all docs that reference this NS are included - that is TBL's view
Shane McCarron: talked with TBL and danC about this -- just change doc at end of NS so has declaration, so that magica can ocurr -- all docs that reference this NS are included - that is TBL's view ←
14:41:45 <oedipus> SM: like @link
Shane McCarron: like @link ←
14:42:00 <oedipus> SP: gets around media types argument
Steven Pemberton: gets around media types argument ←
14:42:27 <oedipus> SM: bad solution -- implies that entire XHTML using internet is suddently using triples -- don't think we've thought through all implicatinos of that
Shane McCarron: bad solution -- implies that entire XHTML using internet is suddently using triples -- don't think we've thought through all implicatinos of that ←
14:42:42 <oedipus> RM: might be a small change, but MUST document implications of change so people are aware of that
Roland Merrick: might be a small change, but MUST document implications of change so people are aware of that ←
14:43:04 <oedipus> SM: fully agree -- but not as response to a comment at this point in process
Shane McCarron: fully agree -- but not as response to a comment at this point in process ←
14:43:20 <oedipus> RM: may decide to do it -- not endorsing -- should make clear effect of doing it
Roland Merrick: may decide to do it -- not endorsing -- should make clear effect of doing it ←
14:43:24 <oedipus> SM: not our decision
Shane McCarron: not our decision ←
14:43:31 <oedipus> RM: yes, but we can provide guidance
Roland Merrick: yes, but we can provide guidance ←
14:43:47 <oedipus> SM: would like TAG to chime in on this -- big picture about web development
Shane McCarron: would like TAG to chime in on this -- big picture about web development ←
14:43:57 <oedipus> RM: go chew on this one rather than curies
Roland Merrick: go chew on this one rather than curies ←
14:44:10 <oedipus> SM: will do as soon as given action by RDFa task force
Shane McCarron: will do as soon as given action by RDFa task force ←
14:44:44 <oedipus> SM: also interested in hearing W3C's input from logistical perspective - means a whole class of things going to leave XHTML NS - interesting impact on web infrastructure of W3C
Shane McCarron: also interested in hearing W3C's input from logistical perspective - means a whole class of things going to leave XHTML NS - interesting impact on web infrastructure of W3C ←
14:44:55 <oedipus> TOPIC: Wrap UP
14:44:56 <ShaneM> I wil copy this group on my comments on the tag stuff.
Shane McCarron: I wil copy this group on my comments on the tag stuff. ←
14:45:16 <oedipus> RM: good discussion -- any other items that need additional prorities, send to list and will get on agenda
Roland Merrick: good discussion -- any other items that need additional prorities, send to list and will get on agenda ←
14:45:22 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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14:45:26 <Zakim> -yamx
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14:45:28 <Steven> zakim, drtop me
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14:45:29 <oedipus> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:45:40 <oedipus> zakim, who is here?
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14:45:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:45:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, Roland, ShaneM, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, Steven, Lachy, Tina, krijnh
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14:45:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Steven, Alessio, yamx
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14:47:58 <oedipus> present+ Tina_on_IRC
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14:48:07 <Roland> Present: +Tina
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14:48:23 <Roland> :-) great minds
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Unknown Roland: :-) great minds ←
14:48:29 <oedipus> lol
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Unknown oedipus: lol ←
14:48:47 <Tina> Thank you :)
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Unknown Tina: Thank you :) ←
14:49:11 <oedipus> thank you for participating under adverse circumstances (a.k.a. life)
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14:49:42 <Tina> Hey, atleast here it doesn't matter if I cough my lungs out occasionally ;)
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Unknown Tina: Hey, atleast here it doesn't matter if I cough my lungs out occasionally ;) ←
14:50:03 <oedipus> that's pretty much my morning ritual
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Unknown oedipus: that's pretty much my morning ritual ←
14:50:15 <ShaneM> well - if you will live in New Jersey
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Unknown ShaneM: well - if you will live in New Jersey ←
14:50:17 <oedipus> s/Gregories/Gregory's
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Unknown oedipus: s/Gregories/Gregory's (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:50:34 <oedipus> mea culpa -- i am a joisey boy through and through
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Unknown oedipus: mea culpa -- i am a joisey boy through and through ←
14:51:20 <Tina> It *was* pneumonia. Been hitting the family in waves.
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Unknown Tina: It *was* pneumonia. Been hitting the family in waves. ←
14:52:16 <oedipus> yikes - i know from personal experience that's no fun - missed the WWWx meeting in brisbane with a case of pnuemonia
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Unknown oedipus: yikes - i know from personal experience that's no fun - missed the WWWx meeting in brisbane with a case of pnuemonia ←
14:52:44 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
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