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13:34:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-irc
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13:36:17 <RolandMerrick> RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0080.html
Roland Merrick: RolandMerrick has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0080.html ←
13:37:33 <Roland> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
Roland Merrick: Zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:37:33 <Zakim> ok, Roland; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Roland; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
13:38:10 <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:38:28 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:38:42 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0080.html
13:39:15 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:39:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:39:27 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:39:42 <Roland> Regrets: Steven
13:41:50 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started ←
13:41:56 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:44:32 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:45:06 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
13:45:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
13:46:01 <oedipus> Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
13:46:05 <oedipus> ScribeNick: oedipus
13:47:00 <oedipus> regrets+ Steven_Pemberton
regrets+ Steven_Pemberton ←
13:47:10 <Zakim> +??P9
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13:47:18 <Zakim> +??P10
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13:47:22 <yamx> zakim, ??P9 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P9 is yamx ←
13:47:22 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
13:47:27 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ??P10
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ??P10 ←
13:47:27 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
13:48:28 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
13:49:30 <oedipus> zakim, Alesssio is ??P11
zakim, Alesssio is ??P11 ←
13:49:30 <Zakim> sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named 'Alesssio'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named 'Alesssio' ←
13:50:17 <oedipus> zakim, ??P11 is Alessio_Cartocci
zakim, ??P11 is Alessio_Cartocci ←
13:50:17 <Zakim> +Alessio_Cartocci; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio_Cartocci; got it ←
13:50:30 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:50:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
13:52:29 <oedipus> XML Base (Second Edition) - Steven not around to address
XML Base (Second Edition) - Steven not around to address ←
13:52:38 <oedipus> RM: face2face meeting -- any registrants?
Roland Merrick: face2face meeting -- any registrants? ←
13:52:45 <oedipus> RM: a lot of no answers so far
Roland Merrick: a lot of no answers so far ←
13:52:57 <oedipus> wiki : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-06-Minneapolis-FtF
wiki : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-06-Minneapolis-FtF ←
13:53:03 <oedipus> registration: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2ftf200806/
Scribe problem: the name 'registration' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown registration: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2ftf200806/ ←
13:53:11 <oedipus> RM: poll those on phone
Roland Merrick: poll those on phone ←
13:53:16 <oedipus> Yam: no, don't think so
Toshihiko Yamakami: no, don't think so ←
13:53:29 <oedipus> GJR: probable conflict
Gregory Rosmaita: probable conflict ←
13:53:44 <oedipus> MB: still negotiating -- away most of may on business trips
Mark Birbeck: still negotiating -- away most of may on business trips ←
13:54:01 <oedipus> AC: don't think can attend, but interested in doing so remotely
Alessio Cartocci: don't think can attend, but interested in doing so remotely ←
13:54:05 <oedipus> TOPIC: CURIES
13:54:43 <oedipus> RM: SP sent replies out to TAG; discovered earlier, unaddressed comment from TAG: talked with Shane about it, don't know where SM got to with thAt; same on Mime Types
Roland Merrick: SP sent replies out to TAG; discovered earlier, unaddressed comment from TAG: talked with Shane about it, don't know where SM got to with thAt; same on Mime Types ←
13:55:42 <oedipus> Yam: 2 Minor comments: distinguish XHTML Basic 1.0 and 1.1 - remove ambiguity; CSS file for the W3C TR is very old, improper use -- says updated 2006, but much older than that
Toshihiko Yamakami: 2 Minor comments: distinguish XHTML Basic 1.0 and 1.1 - remove ambiguity; CSS file for the W3C TR is very old, improper use -- says updated 2006, but much older than that ←
13:55:51 <oedipus> RM: send comments to list, please so on record
Roland Merrick: send comments to list, please so on record ←
13:56:09 <oedipus> RM: last time talked to StevenP, still no feedback from Steve Bratt on either document
Roland Merrick: last time talked to StevenP, still no feedback from Steve Bratt on either document ←
13:56:38 <oedipus> Yam; Basic 1.1 M12n - transition request pending, right?
Yam; Basic 1.1 M12n - transition request pending, right? ←
13:56:40 <oedipus> RM: correct
Roland Merrick: correct ←
13:56:41 <oedipus> TOPIC: Access Model
13:56:52 <oedipus> s/Access Model/Access Module
13:57:20 <oedipus> GJR: request for activate="inspect" dropped
Gregory Rosmaita: request for activate="inspect" dropped ←
13:59:10 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0083.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0083.html ←
14:00:26 <oedipus> GJR: awaiting Jim Allan post to public-xhtml2 -- GJR will ping him today -- hopefully get to list today
Gregory Rosmaita: awaiting Jim Allan post to public-xhtml2 -- GJR will ping him today -- hopefully get to list today ←
14:00:43 <oedipus> RM: once get material, will review and can vote next week to go to Last Call
Roland Merrick: once get material, will review and can vote next week to go to Last Call ←
14:00:49 <oedipus> TOPIC: Role Module
14:01:02 <oedipus> RM: comes out of second LC soon -- no comments thusfar
Roland Merrick: comes out of second LC soon -- no comments thusfar ←
14:01:10 <oedipus> TOPIC: RDFa Feedback
14:01:31 <oedipus> MB: few comments on RDFa -- most of them resolved; nothing that affects things materially
Mark Birbeck: few comments on RDFa -- most of them resolved; nothing that affects things materially ←
14:02:20 <oedipus> TOPIC: RM Comments
14:02:47 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0066.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0066.html ←
14:03:31 <oedipus> RM: comments on MimeType
Roland Merrick: comments on Mime draft ←
14:03:55 <oedipus> RM: Appendix A. Compatibility Guidelines comments:
Roland Merrick: Appendix A. Compatibility Guidelines comments: ←
14:04:06 <oedipus> s/MimeType/Mime draft
14:05:15 <oedipus> RM: looking for specificity; re: empty elements, helpful for authors to use this and not have to go off and find attributes that it effects; empty elements is a hsort list (included in email cited above) -- should list them in document
Roland Merrick: looking for specificity; re: empty elements, helpful for authors to use this and not have to go off and find attributes that it effects; empty elements is a hsort list (included in email cited above) -- should list them in document ←
14:05:41 <oedipus> RM: document ought to make it as easy as possible for reader to create a new document, rather than leave it to them to discover rules
Roland Merrick: document ought to make it as easy as possible for reader to create a new document, rather than leave it to them to discover rules ←
14:05:47 <oedipus> RM: is that something people agree with?
Roland Merrick: is that something people agree with? ←
14:05:51 <oedipus> MB: yes
Mark Birbeck: yes ←
14:05:53 <oedipus> GJR: yes
Gregory Rosmaita: yes ←
14:06:03 <oedipus> Yam: yes
Toshihiko Yamakami: yes ←
14:06:37 <oedipus> RM: lang and xml:lang - says use xml:lang - does not say don't or should not use lang attribute; need to state use xml:lang and not lang
Roland Merrick: lang and xml:lang - says use xml:lang - does not say don't or should not use lang attribute; need to state use xml:lang and not lang ←
14:07:05 <oedipus> MB: given goal of this is to make it so html and xhtml interchangable, don't know if should be so strong on XML features
Mark Birbeck: given goal of this is to make it so html and xhtml interchangable, don't know if should be so strong on XML features ←
14:07:19 <oedipus> RM: agree good question -- encountered when drafting examples
Roland Merrick: agree good question -- encountered when drafting examples ←
14:07:51 <oedipus> GJR: have not been able to find AT that switches in response to xml:lang - still key off lang
Gregory Rosmaita: have not been able to find AT that switches in response to xml:lang - still key off lang ←
14:07:56 <oedipus> RM: good example
Roland Merrick: good example ←
14:08:39 <oedipus> MB: target renderer is XML renderer, not an HTML renderer; describe best practice for authors of XHTML document whose work will be served as HTML; should be stated other way around to get best results - use lang and xml:lang
Mark Birbeck: target renderer is XML renderer, not an HTML renderer; describe best practice for authors of XHTML document whose work will be served as HTML; should be stated other way around to get best results - use lang and xml:lang ←
14:09:12 <oedipus> RM: best answer i have is specify both -- should record which browsers and which versions support xml:lang -- shouldn't leave issue of use of other one dangling
Roland Merrick: best answer i have is specify both -- should record which browsers and which versions support xml:lang -- shouldn't leave issue of use of other one dangling ←
14:09:22 <oedipus> MB: do use xml:lang or use lang or specify both
Roland Merrick: do use xml:lang or use lang or specify both ←
14:09:37 <oedipus> s/MB: do use/RM: do use
14:10:22 <oedipus> MB: generic XML feature use that has been the model, but if HTML feature available, why not use it? if we tell people to use XSL rather than CSS will have problem -- can't load boath stylesheets;
Mark Birbeck: generic XML feature use that has been the model, but if HTML feature available, why not use it? if we tell people to use XSL rather than CSS will have problem -- can't load boath stylesheets; ←
14:11:20 <oedipus> RM: aiming for those that work in browsers we are interested in -- likely will be HTML versions; finding a lot of HTML browsers do support XML features, but picked and chosen; develop sample documents to run against series of browsers, record results and report
Roland Merrick: aiming for those that work in browsers we are interested in -- likely will be HTML versions; finding a lot of HTML browsers do support XML features, but picked and chosen; develop sample documents to run against series of browsers, record results and report ←
14:11:53 <oedipus> MB: seems like a lot of work to gain very little; know UAs support HTML, so need to ensure that XHTML works
Mark Birbeck: seems like a lot of work to gain very little; know UAs support HTML, so need to ensure that XHTML works ←
14:12:23 <oedipus> RM: features that only work in XML/XHTML are the issue -- what about them? HTML browsers recognize limited set of XML features need to document
Roland Merrick: features that only work in XML/XHTML are the issue -- what about them? HTML browsers recognize limited set of XML features need to document ←
14:12:38 <oedipus> MB: if make assertion, have to prove it; someone's got to do this work
Mark Birbeck: if make assertion, have to prove it; someone's got to do this work ←
14:12:48 <oedipus> RM: good practices or recommendation -- this is the way to do it
Roland Merrick: good practices or recommendation -- this is the way to do it ←
14:13:16 <oedipus> MB: if start recommending things that aren't really necessary, then making more work for all involved -- reduce work to do verification by scaling down requirements
Mark Birbeck: if start recommending things that aren't really necessary, then making more work for all involved -- reduce work to do verification by scaling down requirements ←
14:13:56 <oedipus> RM: don't want reader to infer -- do use lang, use xml:lang -- should say "do this, and don't do that"
Roland Merrick: don't want reader to infer -- do use lang, use xml:lang -- should say "do this, and don't do that" ←
14:14:20 <oedipus> MB: fragment identifiers -- same thing -- use id attribute, do not use name attribute
Mark Birbeck: fragment identifiers -- same thing -- use id attribute, do not use name attribute ←
14:14:52 <oedipus> RM: can't just say "do what HTML does" -- won't work with XHTML compact forms
Roland Merrick: can't just say "do what HTML does" -- won't work with XHTML compact forms ←
14:15:38 <oedipus> RM: don't make distinctions between 1.0 and 1.1 -- clarify what Basic means -- going back to yam's point
Roland Merrick: don't make distinctions between 1.0 and 1.1 -- clarify what Basic means -- going back to yam's point ←
14:15:50 <oedipus> RM: want document that is valid XHTML rendered by HTML
Roland Merrick: want document that is valid XHTML rendered by HTML ←
14:16:06 <oedipus> Yam: completely different in mobile -- some can support basic 1.0 and some basic 1.1
Toshihiko Yamakami: completely different in mobile -- some can support basic 1.0 and some basic 1.1 ←
14:16:26 <oedipus> RM: like those to be XHTML Basic, rendered in a non-mobile UA that renders HTML
Roland Merrick: like those to be XHTML Basic, rendered in a non-mobile UA that renders HTML ←
14:17:05 <oedipus> Yam: more interested in how UA can inform its capabilities using HTTP protocol; like to make very clear how will profile be used to identify basic 1.0 or basic 1.1
Toshihiko Yamakami: more interested in how UA can inform its capabilities using HTTP protocol; like to make very clear how will profile be used to identify basic 1.0 or basic 1.1 ←
14:17:37 <oedipus> Yam: such notificiation is VERY important in mobile devices
Toshihiko Yamakami: such notificiation is VERY important in mobile devices ←
14:17:58 <oedipus> RM: SM says Mime document follows these rules -- implements what says you should do
Roland Merrick: SM says Mime document follows these rules -- implements what says you should do ←
14:18:29 <oedipus> RM: additional comments, please send to list and we will work through them;
Roland Merrick: additional comments, please send to list and we will work through them; ←
14:18:36 <oedipus> RM: other items for discussion?
Roland Merrick: other items for discussion? ←
14:19:01 <oedipus> Yam; send mime type comment to xhtml mailing list
Yam; send mime type comment to xhtml mailing list ←
14:19:42 <oedipus> s/Yam: send/Yam: will send
s/Yam: send/Yam: will send (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:19:46 <oedipus> RM: adjourn
Roland Merrick: adjourn ←
14:19:54 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:19:56 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:19:59 <Zakim> -Alessio_Cartocci
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio_Cartocci ←
14:20:00 <Zakim> -yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
14:20:10 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:20:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:20:14 <oedipus> zakim, bye
zakim, bye ←
14:20:14 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, yamx, markbirbeck, Alessio_Cartocci
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, yamx, markbirbeck, Alessio_Cartocci ←
14:20:19 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:20:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:20:51 <oedipus> regrets+ Tina
regrets+ Tina ←
14:20:53 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:20:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:21:42 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
rrsagent, please part ←
14:21:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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