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13:29:05 <ShaneM> I dont think you are late. I think we start in 15
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13:30:26 <Tina> My timing *and* my time zone is messed up, I'm afraid
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13:39:19 <Roland> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
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13:39:19 <Zakim> ok, Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started
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13:39:57 <ShaneM> why does it think it is already started I wonder
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13:40:03 <Steven-eee> zakim, who is here?
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13:40:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland
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13:40:45 <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:40:54 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:41:13 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0014.html
13:41:59 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:42:12 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
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13:43:03 <Steven-eee> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-xhtml-minutes
13:43:50 <Roland> Regrets: Alessio
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13:49:55 <oedipus> GJR: having very nasty computer problems -- will call in a.s.a.p. -- just want to communicate that there is no obstacle or objection from PF on moving Role forward if that is what the xHTML2 WG wants -- Role transition gets a big plus one from me (in case i miss the discussion)
Gregory Rosmaita: having very nasty computer problems -- will call in a.s.a.p. -- just want to communicate that there is no obstacle or objection from PF on moving Role forward if that is what the xHTML2 WG wants -- Role transition gets a big plus one from me (in case i miss the discussion) [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
13:51:20 <Tina> :)
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13:53:05 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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13:53:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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13:53:18 <ShaneM> scribe: shane
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13:53:29 <ShaneM> err... Scribe: ShaneM
err... Scribe: ShaneM ←
13:53:46 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
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13:53:55 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
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13:54:09 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
13:54:13 <Roland> Scribe: ShaneM
13:56:21 <ShaneM> Topic: CSS Namespaces
13:56:52 <ShaneM> No progress yet. Seems like there is some softening of their position. Need a formal response from them.
No progress yet. Seems like there is some softening of their position. Need a formal response from them. ←
13:56:59 <ShaneM> Topic: XML:Base
13:57:03 <ShaneM> No progress yet.
No progress yet. ←
13:57:09 <ShaneM> Topic: F2F in Minneapolis
13:57:14 <ShaneM> Should have a contract resolved this week.
Should have a contract resolved this week. ←
13:57:25 <ShaneM> Topic: CURIE transition
13:57:29 <ShaneM> Public working draft is updated.
Public working draft is updated. ←
13:58:06 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML-Role to last call
13:58:17 <ShaneM> Request to publish has been made.
Request to publish has been made. ←
13:58:30 <ShaneM> Values of role in the XHTML vocabulary
Values of role in the XHTML vocabulary ←
13:58:43 <ShaneM> see http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
see http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab ←
13:58:52 <ShaneM> Roland: what do we need to do here?
Roland Merrick: what do we need to do here? ←
13:59:59 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Let the ARIA group do it
Shane McCarron: Let the ARIA group do it ←
14:00:46 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: values are going to be used quite widely. We might need to ensure that non-ARIA values are "correct"
Mark Birbeck: values are going to be used quite widely. We might need to ensure that values are "correct" ←
14:01:33 <ShaneM> Roland: perhaps the vocabulary should be rec track
Roland Merrick: perhaps the vocabulary should be rec track ←
14:01:33 <markbirbeck> s/non-ARIA values/values/
14:02:22 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:02:31 <ShaneM> ShaneM: while the document itself is not rec-track, the input to it IS.
Shane McCarron: while the document itself is not rec-track, the input to it IS. ←
14:03:20 <ShaneM> Roland: At least there should be an appropriate process for ensuring that things only go in there after appropriate review.
Roland Merrick: At least there should be an appropriate process for ensuring that things only go in there after appropriate review. ←
14:03:50 <ShaneM> oedipus: I have an action (from the PFWG) to review Mark's comments on the vocabulary.
Gregory Rosmaita: I have an action (from the PFWG) to review Mark's comments on the vocabulary. ←
14:05:29 <ShaneM> oedipus: there was a mail from the PF chair that was private asking about how the vocab document evolved and whether it was tied to the role document.
Gregory Rosmaita: there was a mail from the PF chair that was private asking about how the vocab document evolved and whether it was tied to the role document. ←
14:06:34 <ShaneM> Roland: need to ensure there is no collisions between the XHTML values and the ARIA values. ShaneM says that he has already worked that out with Michael Cooper.
Roland Merrick: need to ensure there is no collisions between the XHTML values and the ARIA values. ShaneM says that he has already worked that out with Michael Cooper. ←
14:07:07 <ShaneM> oedipus: Any redundant values should be left to the XHTML Role document.
Gregory Rosmaita: Any redundant values should be left to the XHTML Role document. ←
14:07:42 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: concerned that the ARIA group can put their values straight into the vocabulary.
Mark Birbeck: concerned that the ARIA group can put their values straight into the vocabulary. ←
14:08:24 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: the "multiple word" approach to terms in the ARIA document sort of misses the point of role. Should be "alert dialog", not "alertdialog".
Mark Birbeck: the "multiple word" approach to terms in the ARIA document sort of misses the point of role. Should be "alert dialog", not "alertdialog". ←
14:08:40 <ShaneM> q
q ←
14:09:14 <Steven-eee> as long as it's not aria:alert aria:dialog
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Unknown Steven-eee: as long as it's not aria:alert aria:dialog ←
14:09:38 <markbirbeck> q+
Mark Birbeck: q+ ←
14:09:50 <ShaneM> oedipus: Some of the values in the ARIA spec are related to how assistive technologies work in the marketplace today and are driven my market realities.
Gregory Rosmaita: Some of the values in the ARIA spec are related to how assistive technologies work in the marketplace today and are driven my market realities. ←
14:09:51 <ShaneM> q+
q+ ←
14:10:21 <ShaneM> oedipus: values like "slider" are for things we have inherited. Not for the future. This is related to XHTML 1.0.
Gregory Rosmaita: values like "slider" are for things we have inherited. Not for the future. This is related to ARIA 1.0. ←
14:10:28 <ShaneM> s/XHTML/ARIA/
14:11:13 <Tina> We should be extra careful with inherited techniques, and only include them in a standard if they are also good ideas.
Tina Holmboe: We should be extra careful with inherited techniques, and only include them in a standard if they are also good ideas. ←
14:11:37 <ShaneM> Roland: perhaps we could specify some "pure roles" in the XHTML Role superior vocabulary so that we can be more forward looking while the ARIA values are designed to help their marketplace.
Roland Merrick: perhaps we could specify some "pure roles" in the XHTML Role superior vocabulary so that we can be more forward looking while the ARIA values are designed to help their marketplace. ←
14:14:04 <ShaneM> ShaneM: The group agreed at the last f2f to include the values in the vocabulary space. We did not put any conditions on how those values would be included.
Shane McCarron: The group agreed at the last f2f to include the values in the vocabulary space. We did not put any conditions on how those values would be included. ←
14:14:51 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: points out that role values are not inherited becuase there was no role attribute. What we have is a need to map values to legacy implementations to support them.
Mark Birbeck: points out that role values are not inherited becuase there was no role attribute. What we have is a need to map values to legacy implementations to support them. ←
14:15:13 <ShaneM> Roland: There is clearly work to do here. We need a complete list.
Roland Merrick: There is clearly work to do here. We need a complete list. ←
14:15:23 <Tina> If they make sense, yes. We shouldn't do so just because they exist. This is important.
Tina Holmboe: If they make sense, yes. We shouldn't do so just because they exist. This is important. ←
14:16:08 <ShaneM> oedipus: If there is a disconnect about what we agreed with the PFWG?
Gregory Rosmaita: If there is a disconnect about what we agreed with the PFWG? ←
14:17:01 <ShaneM> Roland: We deferred to the ARIA guys saying "you define what you would like in the vocabulary, and we will put them into the space". oedipus agrees that is what the understanding was.
Roland Merrick: We deferred to the ARIA guys saying "you define what you would like in the vocabulary, and we will put them into the space". oedipus agrees that is what the understanding was. ←
14:17:29 <ShaneM> Roland: The issue is that the lists are somewhat disjoint - they don't look like they were produced by the same group of people.
Roland Merrick: The issue is that the lists are somewhat disjoint - they don't look like they were produced by the same group of people. ←
14:17:48 <ShaneM> oedipus: I volunteer to work with whomoever on this. I am in both groups.
Gregory Rosmaita: I volunteer to work with whomoever on this. I am in both groups. ←
14:18:33 <ShaneM> Roland: A separate interesting topic is how do we manage vocabularies in general...
Roland Merrick: A separate interesting topic is how do we manage vocabularies in general... ←
14:18:42 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Managing CURIE Vocabularies
14:19:15 <ShaneM> Roland: definition for values of @rel/@rev
Roland Merrick: definition for values of @rel/@rev ←
14:19:28 <ShaneM> Roland: There is some IETF work in this space. And the HTML 5 group seems to be looking at it too.
Roland Merrick: There is some IETF work in this space. And the HTML 5 group seems to be looking at it too. ←
14:20:47 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0013.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0013.html ←
14:21:03 <ShaneM> TAG work on sem web data in HTTP headers - the LINK header
TAG work on sem web data in HTTP headers - the LINK header ←
14:21:50 <ShaneM> There needs to be a way of managing the collection of values that go into a vocabulary so we don't end up with a mess.
There needs to be a way of managing the collection of values that go into a vocabulary so we don't end up with a mess. ←
14:22:38 <ShaneM> ShaneM: What about CURIEs - doesn't that help?
Shane McCarron: What about CURIEs - doesn't that help? ←
14:22:55 <ShaneM> Roland: Not really because there needs to be agreement on basic semantics so vocabularies get used.
Roland Merrick: Not really because there needs to be agreement on basic semantics so vocabularies get used. ←
14:23:56 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0026.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0026.html ←
14:23:59 <ShaneM> The Math WG is trying to ensure that the entity collection is consistent among all groups that care.
The Math WG is trying to ensure that the entity collection is consistent among all groups that care. ←
14:24:30 <ShaneM> We absolutely care about the collection of entities, since XHTML 1 / 1.1 / 2 all define consistent collections today.
We absolutely care about the collection of entities, since XHTML 1 / 1.1 / 2 all define consistent collections today. ←
14:25:06 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane to ensure there are no inconsistencies between the MathML entity set and the XHTML entity set.
ACTION: Shane to ensure there are no inconsistencies between the MathML entity set and the XHTML entity set. ←
14:25:33 <Steven-eee> I seem to remember we did/tried to do just that long ago
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Unknown Steven-eee: I seem to remember we did/tried to do just that long ago ←
14:25:38 <ShaneM> oedipus: It is not clear that the HTML 5 group has actually made any changes in that space.
Gregory Rosmaita: It is not clear that the HTML 5 group has actually made any changes in that space. ←
14:26:05 <Steven-eee> I remember long discussions about values of entities being used in MathML
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Unknown Steven-eee: I remember long discussions about values of entities being used in MathML ←
14:26:53 <Steven-eee> (where is Masaysu when you need hime)
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Unknown Steven-eee: (where is Masaysu when you need him) ←
14:26:53 <ShaneM> ShaneM: There should be consistency, but I am sure that we already addressed this years ago.
Shane McCarron: There should be consistency, but I am sure that we already addressed this years ago. ←
14:27:08 <Steven-eee> s/hime/him/
14:27:12 <Steven-eee> ok
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Unknown Steven-eee: ok ←
14:29:15 <ShaneM> ShaneM: we have the definitivbe collection as part of M12N, and we harmonized that with the MathML collection. But we do not defer to them 'cause our collection is the base definition for the web.
Shane McCarron: we have the definitivbe collection as part of M12N, and we harmonized that with the MathML collection. But we do not defer to them 'cause our collection is the base definition for the web. ←
14:30:17 <ShaneM> oedipus: Will check with the PFWG, but he is pretty sure that AT vendors rely upon these definitions too. I will try to get confirmation.
Gregory Rosmaita: Will check with the PFWG, but he is pretty sure that AT vendors rely upon these definitions too. I will try to get confirmation. ←
14:30:57 <ShaneM> Roland: is there something we should be doing with @rel values too?
Roland Merrick: is there something we should be doing with @rel values too? ←
14:31:38 <markbirbeck> <link rel="license" ... />
Mark Birbeck: <link rel="license" ... /> ←
14:31:38 <markbirbeck> <l ink rel="[foaf:knows]" ... />
Mark Birbeck: <link rel="[foaf:knows]" ... /> ←
14:32:44 <markbirbeck> s/l ink/link/
14:33:10 <ShaneM> Roland: What would happen if we do not harmonize?
Roland Merrick: What would happen if we do not harmonize? ←
14:33:48 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: there is some risk, but RDFa has a lot of momentum so it is likely XHTML / RDFa will dominate.
Mark Birbeck: there is some risk, but RDFa has a lot of momentum so it is likely XHTML / RDFa will dominate. ←
14:34:24 <Steven-eee> shouldn' that be <link rel="foaf:knows" ...?
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Unknown Steven-eee: shouldn' that be <link rel="foaf:knows" ...? ←
14:34:28 <Steven-eee> No need for [] in rel
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Unknown Steven-eee: No need for [] in rel ←
14:35:17 <ShaneM> Mark was pointing out that there was an alternate potential syntax historically.
Mark was pointing out that there was an alternate potential syntax historically. ←
14:35:43 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: we should make it so important @rel values are in the vocabulary and coordinate with these other groups.
Mark Birbeck: we should make it so important @rel values are in the vocabulary and coordinate with these other groups. ←
14:36:27 <ShaneM> ACTION: Shane and Mark should open up this dialog and see if we can't get the other @rel people to come play with us
ACTION: Shane and Mark should open up this dialog and see if we can't get the other @rel people to come play with us ←
14:37:16 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML-Access Module
14:38:07 <ShaneM> oedipus: Other groups that have seen the access module are looking for mappings to specific APIs.
Gregory Rosmaita: Other groups that have seen the access module are looking for mappings to specific APIs. ←
14:38:35 <ShaneM> ARIA Provides appendices about mapping ARIA stuff to APIs.
ARIA Provides appendices about mapping ARIA stuff to APIs. ←
14:39:13 <ShaneM> Roland: Access is not primarily about assistive technology. It is there to support the mobile community too.
Roland Merrick: Access is not primarily about assistive technology. It is there to support the mobile community too. ←
14:40:22 <ShaneM> oedipus: True. But from the point of view of AT people how to cascade the access effects portably among implementations.
Gregory Rosmaita: True. But from the point of view of AT people how to cascade the access effects portably among implementations. ←
14:41:41 <ShaneM> ShaneM: there's nothing in the access module to bind to. It is only useful in conjunction with the XML Event module (and XML Handlers).
Shane McCarron: there's nothing in the access module to bind to. It is only useful in conjunction with the XML Event module (and XML Handlers). ←
14:42:04 <ShaneM> Perhaps there is some baggage associated with this in the accessibility community.
Perhaps there is some baggage associated with this in the accessibility community. ←
14:42:16 <ShaneM> People are looking for cascade rules.
People are looking for cascade rules. ←
14:42:37 <ShaneM> ACTION: Gregory to ensure that we get feedback about needing cascade rules in xhtml-access
ACTION: Gregory to ensure that we get feedback about needing cascade rules in xhtml-access ←
14:43:42 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:43:43 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:43:44 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:43:44 <Zakim> -??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P5 ←
14:43:46 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:43:46 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:43:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:44:04 <yamx> ??P5 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: ??P5 is yamx ←
14:44:10 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:44:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
14:45:14 <RolandMerrick> Regrets: Alessio
14:45:36 <Roland> Zakim, list
Roland Merrick: Zakim, list ←
14:45:36 <Zakim> I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, HTML_Forms()10:45AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, HTML_Forms()10:45AM active ←
14:45:39 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM, RWC_WAPI()10:30AM, XML_Core()11:00AM, SEC_WSCWG()11:00AM, MM_MMI(dialog)11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are SW_GRDDL()11:00AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM, RWC_WAPI()10:30AM, XML_Core()11:00AM, SEC_WSCWG()11:00AM, MM_MMI(dialog)11:00AM ←
14:46:33 <RolandMerrick> Present: Roland, Shane, Mark, Gregory, Yam, Steven(IRC), Tina (IRC)
Scribe problem: the name 'Steven(IRC)' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami
Scribe problem: the name 'Tina (IRC)' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami
14:46:44 <RolandMerrick> Scribe: ShaneM
14:46:58 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:46:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
14:47:46 <Roland> rrsagent, publish minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, publish minutes ←
14:47:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
14:48:10 <RolandMerrick> zakim, please part
Roland Merrick: zakim, please part ←
14:48:28 <RolandMerrick> rrsagent, please part
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, please part ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to ensure there are no inconsistencies between the MathML entity set and the XHTML entity set. [1]
ACTION: Shane to ensure there are no inconsistencies between the MathML entity set and the XHTML entity set. [1] ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-irc#T14-25-06
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-irc#T14-25-06 ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane and Mark should open up this dialog and see if we can't get the other @rel people to come play with us [2]
ACTION: Shane and Mark should open up this dialog and see if we can't get the other @rel people to come play with us [2] ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-irc#T14-36-27
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-irc#T14-36-27 ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gregory to ensure that we get feedback about needing cascade rules in xhtml-access [3]
ACTION: Gregory to ensure that we get feedback about needing cascade rules in xhtml-access [3] ←
14:48:28 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-irc#T14-42-37
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-xhtml-irc#T14-42-37 ←
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