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12:52:42 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-xhtml-irc ←
12:52:51 <Steven> zakim, this will be html
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be html ←
12:52:51 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven ←
12:52:56 <Steven> good
Steven Pemberton: good ←
12:53:04 <Steven> zakim, list
Steven Pemberton: zakim, list ←
12:53:04 <Zakim> I see Team_W3M()8:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see Team_W3M()8:00AM active ←
12:53:06 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM ←
12:57:32 <Steven> Shane, do you think the call is now or in an hour?
Steven Pemberton: Shane, do you think the call is now or in an hour? ←
13:00:17 <Steven> zakim, list
Steven Pemberton: zakim, list ←
13:00:17 <Zakim> I see Team_W3M()8:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see Team_W3M()8:00AM active ←
13:00:19 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM ←
13:00:29 <Steven> zakim, this will be html
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be html ←
13:00:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 60 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 60 minutes ←
13:00:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:00:58 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:03:37 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0026.html
13:03:49 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0026
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0026 ←
13:57:31 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
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Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started ←
13:57:32 <Zakim> + +0138687aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0138687aaaa ←
13:57:54 <Roland> zakim, aaaa is Roland
Roland Merrick: zakim, aaaa is Roland ←
13:57:54 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland; got it ←
13:58:30 <Roland> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
Roland Merrick: Zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:58:30 <Zakim> ok, Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started ←
13:58:42 <Steven> done that
Steven Pemberton: done that ←
13:58:45 <Steven> and rrsagent
Steven Pemberton: and rrsagent ←
13:58:53 <Roland> gud
Roland Merrick: gud ←
13:59:28 <Steven> Has that meaning of 'momentarily'reached the UK yet Roland?
Steven Pemberton: Has that meaning of 'momentarily'reached the UK yet Roland? ←
13:59:56 <Steven> rrsagent, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, dial steven-617 ←
13:59:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'dial steven-617', Steven. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'dial steven-617', Steven. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
14:00:01 <Steven> lol
Steven Pemberton: lol ←
14:00:07 <Roland> perhaps, but no out here in the countryside
Roland Merrick: perhaps, but no out here in the countryside ←
14:00:07 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:00:07 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:00:08 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:00:29 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:00:46 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:00:58 <Steven> Regrets: Tina
14:02:25 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
14:02:32 <yamx> zakim, ??P2 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P2 is yamx ←
14:02:32 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:03:20 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
14:03:55 <Steven> zakim, ??P29 is Alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P29 is Alessio ←
14:03:55 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:04:07 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Roland, Steven, ShaneM, yamx, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Roland, Steven, ShaneM, yamx, Alessio ←
14:04:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, oedipus, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Lachy, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, oedipus, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Lachy, krijnh ←
14:04:24 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:04:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
14:04:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
14:05:25 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:05:33 <Steven> Topic: Iframe tests
14:05:35 <Zakim> +??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36 ←
14:05:40 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
14:05:40 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
14:05:43 <Steven> Alessio: My tests have been progressing nicely
Alessio Cartocci: My tests have been progressing nicely ←
14:06:08 <Steven> ... I can now bookmark pages with iframes
... I can now bookmark pages with iframes ←
14:06:19 <Steven> ... I will send an email about it, with a link to my test page
... I will send an email about it, with a link to my test page ←
14:06:33 <Steven> Topic: CSS Namespaces
14:06:50 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0020.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0020.html ←
14:06:52 <Steven> Roland: Steven, your review got a quick response
Roland Merrick: Steven, your review got a quick response ←
14:06:58 <Steven> ... we have to decide how to reply to that
... we have to decide how to reply to that ←
14:08:12 <Steven> teven: The reply is that there are already implementations, so they don't want to make any change
Steven Pemberton: The reply is that there are already implementations, so they don't want to make any change ←
14:08:40 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:09:44 <Steven> s/teven/Steven/
14:09:57 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:10:05 <Steven> Steven: So we could say that if they are unwilling to make the change, they should at lease identify the problem in the spec
Steven Pemberton: So we could say that if they are unwilling to make the change, they should at lease identify the problem in the spec ←
14:10:25 <Steven> ... and warn people that using default namespaces in CSS will have this problem
... and warn people that using default namespaces in CSS will have this problem ←
14:10:46 <Steven> ... and people might choose not to use default namespaces if they want the stylesheet to work across implmenentations
... and people might choose not to use default namespaces if they want the stylesheet to work across implmenentations ←
14:11:48 <Steven> Mark: I think we should point out that last call comments shouldn't be treated like this
Mark Birbeck: I think we should point out that last call comments shouldn't be treated like this ←
14:12:14 <Steven> Shane: WHat is the doc's status?
Shane McCarron: WHat is the doc's status? ←
14:12:24 <Steven> Steven: In WD for 9 years, never been a rec
Steven Pemberton: In WD for 9 years, never been a rec ←
14:12:45 <Steven> Shane: THen I agree with Mark; if it's been broken for 9 years it should still be fixed
Shane McCarron: THen I agree with Mark; if it's been broken for 9 years it should still be fixed ←
14:15:29 <Steven> Steven: [Explains our original comment]
Steven Pemberton: [Explains our original comment] ←
14:16:01 <Steven> Mark: Does foo: {color: green} work in a NS aware CSS agent?
Mark Birbeck: Does foo: {color: green} work in a NS aware CSS agent? ←
14:16:09 <Steven> Steven: Yes, it should work the same as in CSS1
Steven Pemberton: Yes, it should work the same as in CSS1 ←
14:16:32 <Steven> ... it is only if you have @namespace "..."that the semantics of simple selectors change
... it is only if you have @namespace "..."that the semantics of simple selectors change ←
14:19:28 <Steven> ... so the best way round the problem is always to use explicit namespace selectors like html|a: {color: blue}
... so the best way round the problem is always to use explicit namespace selectors like html|a: {color: blue} ←
14:19:55 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to reply to CSS about default namespaces
ACTION: Steven to reply to CSS about default namespaces ←
14:20:12 <Steven> Topic: Changing time to 15 mins earlier
14:21:58 <Steven> Steven: THis call overlaps with the FOrms call, so Mark and I would like to avoid this
Steven Pemberton: THis call overlaps with the FOrms call, so Mark and I would like to avoid this ←
14:22:10 <Steven> [No objections]
[No objections] ←
14:22:18 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make call 15 mins earlier
ACTION: Steven to make call 15 mins earlier ←
14:23:13 <Steven> Topic: FtF
14:23:17 <Steven> Roland: Shane?
Roland Merrick: Shane? ←
14:23:21 <Steven> Shane: Still working on it
Shane McCarron: Still working on it ←
14:23:51 <Steven> Topic: Plenary
14:23:55 <Steven> Steven: I filled in the form
Steven Pemberton: I filled in the form ←
14:24:45 <Steven> Topic: Basic Implementation Report
14:25:02 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-basic-11-implementation.html
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-basic-11-implementation.html ←
14:27:10 <yamx> How about this one? http://testfest.openmobilealliance.org/XHTML_Suite_3/index.xhtml
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: How about this one? http://testfest.openmobilealliance.org/XHTML_Suite_3/index.xhtml ←
14:28:42 <Steven> Steven: I need a URL for the test results
Steven Pemberton: I need a URL for the test results ←
14:28:54 <Steven> Yam: Put my file I sent somewhere and point to it.
Toshihiko Yamakami: Put my file I sent somewhere and point to it. ←
14:28:58 <Steven> Steven: OK, great
Steven Pemberton: OK, great ←
14:29:16 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to publish Yam's results and point to it from implementation report
ACTION: Steven to publish Yam's results and point to it from implementation report ←
14:29:38 <Steven> Topic: CURIE
14:29:48 <Steven> Roland: Shane, you sent out a doc for l;ast call
Roland Merrick: Shane, you sent out a doc for last call ←
14:30:13 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-curie-20080318/
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-curie-20080318/ ←
14:30:39 <Steven> s/l;ast/last/
14:31:36 <Steven> Steven: SO we will go to last call since the TAG hasn't sent the comments it promised
Steven Pemberton: SO we will go to last call since the TAG hasn't sent the comments it promised? ←
14:31:39 <Steven> Roland: Yes
Roland Merrick: Yes ←
14:31:49 <Steven> s/promised/promised?/
14:32:13 <Steven> Roland: Section 4 uses some examples, I missed one using XHTML 1
Roland Merrick: Section 4 uses some examples, I missed one using XHTML 1 ←
14:32:47 <Steven> Shane: I can change the XHTML2 example to XHTML 1.1+RDFa
Shane McCarron: I can change the XHTML2 example to XHTML 1.1+RDFa ←
14:33:01 <Steven> Gregory: I would mention all three
Gregory Rosmaita: I would mention all three ←
14:34:49 <Steven> Steven: THe HTML example uses @about
Steven Pemberton: THe HTML example uses @about ←
14:36:12 <Steven> Steven: How about using <a rel="cc:licence"
Steven Pemberton: How about using <a rel="cc:licence" ←
14:37:43 <Steven> Steven: Shall we add the XHTML 1.1 example before the XHTML2 one?
Steven Pemberton: Shall we add the XHTML 1.1 example before the XHTML2 one? ←
14:39:55 <Steven> Mark: We could just say "In HTNML4 you can use <meta scheme"etc
Mark Birbeck: We could just say "In HTML 4 you can use <meta scheme"etc ←
14:40:10 <Steven> ... since this section is only talking about prefix mechanisms
... since this section is only talking about prefix mechanisms ←
14:40:41 <Steven> Steven: THat could work
Steven Pemberton: That could work ←
14:42:04 <Steven> Shane: We haven't defined this mapping for HTML4, nor is it up to us to do so
Shane McCarron: We haven't defined this mapping for HTML4, nor is it up to us to do so ←
14:42:11 <Steven> ... so maybe we shouldn't have the example
... so maybe we shouldn't have the example ←
14:42:19 <Steven> s/THat/That/
14:42:23 <Steven> Roland: Agree
Roland Merrick: Agree ←
14:42:42 <Steven> Shane: OK, though I think it should be done like this in the future
Shane McCarron: OK, though I think it should be done like this in the future ←
14:43:11 <Steven> Mark: My comments are not big, but in terms of the order of the document
Mark Birbeck: My comments are not big, but in terms of the order of the document ←
14:43:22 <Steven> .... section 5 could come earlier
.... section 5 could come earlier ←
14:45:22 <Steven> ShaneI: I will reorder - Usage, followed by Syntax, then prefix mechanisms then conformance
Scribe problem: the name 'ShaneI' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ShaneI: I will reorder - Usage, followed by Syntax, then prefix mechanisms then conformance ←
14:45:59 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Take CURIES to last call
RESOLVED: Take CURIES to last call ←
14:46:41 <Steven> Topic: Media type
14:47:06 <Steven> ROland: There has been a suggestion that this should be sent to HCG
Roland Merrick: There has been a suggestion that this should be sent to HCG ←
14:49:15 <Steven> Steven: I spent 2 hours on the phone with people on this yesterday
Steven Pemberton: I spent 2 hours on the phone with people on this yesterday ←
14:49:22 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:49:48 <Steven> ... I think that the main hurdle I had anticipated is not there
... I think that the main hurdle I had anticipated is not there ←
14:49:54 <Steven> ... so I think we are OK
... so I think we are OK ←
14:50:07 <markbirbeck> s/HTNML4/HTML 4/
14:51:16 <markbirbeck> q+
Mark Birbeck: q+ ←
14:52:20 <Steven> Roland: We might have to create a new note about best practise if people object to us changing the media type note
Roland Merrick: We might have to create a new note about best practise if people object to us changing the media type note ←
14:52:35 <Steven> ack m
ack m ←
14:52:55 <Steven> Mark: We should be able to use these mime types to our advantage
Mark Birbeck: We should be able to use these mime types to our advantage ←
14:53:22 <Steven> ... advertise the applicationh mime type only if you (the UA) understand XML
... advertise the applicationh mime type only if you (the UA) understand XML ←
14:53:40 <Steven> ... but it is perfectly legit to send it as text/html to other UAs
... but it is perfectly legit to send it as text/html to other UAs ←
14:53:54 <Steven> ... but then use default namespace etc
... but then use default namespace etc ←
14:54:43 <Steven> ... so we just say that it is official you can use both mime types, and then explain how to use them
... so we just say that it is official you can use both mime types, and then explain how to use them ←
14:57:36 <Steven> ROland: Time's up
Roland Merrick: Time's up ←
14:57:40 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:57:46 <Steven> Topic: Role
14:57:52 <Steven> Roalnd: We'll do that next week
Roland Merrick: We'll do that next week ←
14:57:59 <Steven> s/ROAL/Rola/
s/ROAL/Rola/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:58:02 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:58:04 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:58:04 <Zakim> -yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
14:58:04 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:58:06 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:58:07 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:58:12 <Steven> s/Roal/Rola/
14:58:23 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:58:24 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
14:58:25 <Zakim> Attendees were +0138687aaaa, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, yamx, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0138687aaaa, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, yamx, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita, markbirbeck ←
14:58:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:58:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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