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12:52:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-xhtml-irc
12:52:51 zakim, this will be html
12:52:51 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Steven
12:52:56 good
12:53:04 zakim, list
12:53:04 I see Team_W3M()8:00AM active
12:53:06 also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM
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12:57:32 Shane, do you think the call is now or in an hour?
13:00:17 zakim, list
13:00:17 I see Team_W3M()8:00AM active
13:00:19 also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM
13:00:29 zakim, this will be html
13:00:29 ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 60 minutes
13:00:38 rrsagent, make log public
13:00:58 Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:03:37 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0026.html
13:03:49 Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0026
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13:57:31 IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
13:57:32 + +0138687aaaa
13:57:54 zakim, aaaa is Roland
13:57:54 +Roland; got it
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13:58:30 Zakim, this will be XHTML2
13:58:30 ok, Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM already started
13:58:42 done that
13:58:45 and rrsagent
13:58:53 gud
13:59:28 Has that meaning of 'momentarily'reached the UK yet Roland?
13:59:56 rrsagent, dial steven-617
13:59:56 I'm logging. I don't understand 'dial steven-617', Steven. Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:00:01 lol
14:00:07 perhaps, but no out here in the countryside
14:00:07 zakim, dial steven-617
14:00:07 ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:00:08 +Steven
14:00:29 Chair: Roland
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14:00:47 +ShaneM
14:00:58 Regrets: Tina
14:02:25 +??P2
14:02:32 zakim, ??P2 is yamx
14:02:32 +yamx; got it
14:03:20 +??P29
14:03:55 zakim, ??P29 is Alessio
14:03:55 +Alessio; got it
14:04:07 zakim, who is here?
14:04:07 On the phone I see Roland, Steven, ShaneM, yamx, Alessio
14:04:08 On IRC I see yamx, oedipus, ShaneM, markbirbeck, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Lachy, krijnh
14:04:24 +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:04:55 zakim, code?
14:04:55 the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
14:05:25 Scribe: Steven
14:05:33 Topic: Iframe tests
14:05:35 +??P36
14:05:40 zakim, i am ?
14:05:40 +markbirbeck; got it
14:05:43 Alessio: My tests have been progressing nicely
14:06:08 ... I can now bookmark pages with iframes
14:06:19 ... I will send an email about it, with a link to my test page
14:06:33 Topic: CSS Namespaces
14:06:50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Mar/0020.html
14:06:52 Roland: Steven, your review got a quick response
14:06:58 ... we have to decide how to reply to that
14:08:12 teven: The reply is that there are already implementations, so they don't want to make any change
14:08:40 -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:09:44 s/teven/Steven/
14:09:57 +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:10:05 Steven: So we could say that if they are unwilling to make the change, they should at lease identify the problem in the spec
14:10:25 ... and warn people that using default namespaces in CSS will have this problem
14:10:46 ... and people might choose not to use default namespaces if they want the stylesheet to work across implmenentations
14:11:48 Mark: I think we should point out that last call comments shouldn't be treated like this
14:12:14 Shane: WHat is the doc's status?
14:12:24 Steven: In WD for 9 years, never been a rec
14:12:45 Shane: THen I agree with Mark; if it's been broken for 9 years it should still be fixed
14:15:29 Steven: [Explains our original comment]
14:16:01 Mark: Does foo: {color: green} work in a NS aware CSS agent?
14:16:09 Steven: Yes, it should work the same as in CSS1
14:16:32 ... it is only if you have @namespace "..."that the semantics of simple selectors change
14:19:28 ... so the best way round the problem is always to use explicit namespace selectors like html|a: {color: blue}
14:19:55 ACTION: Steven to reply to CSS about default namespaces
14:20:12 Topic: Changing time to 15 mins earlier
14:21:58 Steven: THis call overlaps with the FOrms call, so Mark and I would like to avoid this
14:22:10 [No objections]
14:22:18 ACTION: Steven to make call 15 mins earlier
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14:23:13 Topic: FtF
14:23:17 Roland: Shane?
14:23:21 Shane: Still working on it
14:23:51 Topic: Plenary
14:23:55 Steven: I filled in the form
14:24:45 Topic: Basic Implementation Report
14:25:02 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/xhtml-basic-11-implementation.html
14:27:10 How about this one? http://testfest.openmobilealliance.org/XHTML_Suite_3/index.xhtml
14:28:42 Steven: I need a URL for the test results
14:28:54 Yam: Put my file I sent somewhere and point to it.
14:28:58 Steven: OK, great
14:29:16 ACTION: Steven to publish Yam's results and point to it from implementation report
14:29:38 Topic: CURIE
14:29:48 Roland: Shane, you sent out a doc for l;ast call
14:30:13 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-curie-20080318/
14:30:39 s/l;ast/last/
14:31:36 Steven: SO we will go to last call since the TAG hasn't sent the comments it promised
14:31:39 Roland: Yes
14:31:49 s/promised/promised?/
14:32:13 Roland: Section 4 uses some examples, I missed one using XHTML 1
14:32:47 Shane: I can change the XHTML2 example to XHTML 1.1+RDFa
14:33:01 Gregory: I would mention all three
14:34:49 Steven: THe HTML example uses @about
14:36:12 Steven: How about using Steven: Shall we add the XHTML 1.1 example before the XHTML2 one?
14:39:55 Mark: We could just say "In HTNML4 you can use ... since this section is only talking about prefix mechanisms
14:40:41 Steven: THat could work
14:42:04 Shane: We haven't defined this mapping for HTML4, nor is it up to us to do so
14:42:11 ... so maybe we shouldn't have the example
14:42:19 s/THat/That/
14:42:23 Roland: Agree
14:42:42 Shane: OK, though I think it should be done like this in the future
14:43:11 Mark: My comments are not big, but in terms of the order of the document
14:43:22 .... section 5 could come earlier
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14:45:22 ShaneI: I will reorder - Usage, followed by Syntax, then prefix mechanisms then conformance
14:45:59 RESOLUTION: Take CURIES to last call
14:46:41 Topic: Media type
14:47:06 ROland: There has been a suggestion that this should be sent to HCG
14:49:15 Steven: I spent 2 hours on the phone with people on this yesterday
14:49:22 s/RO/Ro/
14:49:48 ... I think that the main hurdle I had anticipated is not there
14:49:54 ... so I think we are OK
14:50:07 s/HTNML4/HTML 4/
14:51:16 q+
14:52:20 Roland: We might have to create a new note about best practise if people object to us changing the media type note
14:52:35 ack m
14:52:55 Mark: We should be able to use these mime types to our advantage
14:53:22 ... advertise the applicationh mime type only if you (the UA) understand XML
14:53:40 ... but it is perfectly legit to send it as text/html to other UAs
14:53:54 ... but then use default namespace etc
14:54:43 ... so we just say that it is official you can use both mime types, and then explain how to use them
14:57:36 ROland: Time's up
14:57:40 s/RO/Ro/
14:57:46 Topic: Role
14:57:52 Roalnd: We'll do that next week
14:57:59 s/ROAL/Rola/
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14:58:04 -Alessio
14:58:04 -yamx
14:58:04 -Roland
14:58:06 -markbirbeck
14:58:07 -Steven
14:58:12 s/Roal/Rola/
14:58:23 -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:58:24 IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
14:58:25 Attendees were +0138687aaaa, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, yamx, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita, markbirbeck
14:58:27 rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/19-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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