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13:48:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc ←
13:52:14 <Roland> zakim, list
Roland Merrick: zakim, list ←
13:52:14 <Zakim> I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, IA_WAF()8:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, IA_WAF()8:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active ←
13:52:15 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is IA_XHTML2()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time is IA_XHTML2()9:00AM ←
13:52:35 <Roland> zakim, this is XHTML2
Roland Merrick: zakim, this is XHTML2 ←
13:52:35 <Zakim> Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be XHTML2".
Zakim IRC Bot: Roland, I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be XHTML2". ←
13:52:56 <Roland> zakim, this will be XHTML2
Roland Merrick: zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:52:56 <Zakim> ok, Roland; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Roland; I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
13:58:01 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started
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Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has now started ←
13:58:05 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:59:45 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.763.767.aaaa ←
13:59:48 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
13:59:49 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
14:00:13 <ShaneM> zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_
Shane McCarron: zakim, aaaa is ShaneM_ ←
14:00:13 <Zakim> +ShaneM_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM_; got it ←
14:01:00 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:01:38 <alessio> zakim, +P18 is alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +P18 is alessio ←
14:01:38 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P18'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+P18' ←
14:01:57 <ShaneM> Zakim, ??p18 is alessio
Shane McCarron: Zakim, ??p18 is alessio ←
14:01:57 <Zakim> +alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alessio; got it ←
14:02:30 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
14:02:41 <yamx> Zakim, ?P19 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: Zakim, ?P19 is yamx ←
14:02:41 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P19'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P19' ←
14:02:56 <yamx> zakim, ??P19 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P19 is yamx ←
14:02:56 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:03:37 <Roland> Regrets: Steven, Rich
14:05:49 <oedipus> scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
(Scribe set to Gregory Rosmaita)
14:05:53 <oedipus> scribeNick: oedipus
14:06:25 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
14:06:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
14:06:54 <oedipus> TOPIC: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
14:07:00 <oedipus> RM: testing complete, yam?
Roland Merrick: testing complete, yam? ←
14:07:03 <Zakim> + +020768aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +020768aabb ←
14:07:10 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aabb
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am aabb ←
14:07:10 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
14:07:28 <oedipus> Yam: sent report to steven -- still need 2 independent implementations
Toshihiko Yamakami: sent report to steven -- still need 2 independent implementations ←
14:07:57 <oedipus> Yam: opera offers browser for japanese implementations
Toshihiko Yamakami: opera offers browser for japanese implementations ←
14:08:02 <oedipus> RM: can you approach them?
Roland Merrick: can you approach them? ←
14:08:12 <oedipus> Yam: no contacts
Toshihiko Yamakami: no contacts ←
14:08:19 <oedipus> GJR: i can follow up with opera
Gregory Rosmaita: i can follow up with openwave ←
14:08:46 <oedipus> s/opera/openwave
14:08:57 <oedipus> Yam: steven has mentioned openwave
Toshihiko Yamakami: steven has mentioned openwave ←
14:09:19 <oedipus> Yam: produced internal version testing -- need to find out what they are doing
Toshihiko Yamakami: produced internal version testing -- need to find out what they are doing ←
14:09:32 <oedipus> RM: guess it will have to wait until new year and steven's return
Roland Merrick: guess it will have to wait until new year and steven's return ←
14:09:53 <oedipus> Yam: access input mode - requested to test by mike(tm)smith
Toshihiko Yamakami: access input mode - requested to test by mike(tm)smith ←
14:10:13 <oedipus> RM: mike w3c staff, right?
Roland Merrick: mike w3c staff, right? ←
14:10:32 <oedipus> Yam: staff contact for MWI
Toshihiko Yamakami: staff contact for MWI ←
14:10:42 <oedipus> GJR: now staff contact for HTML WG
Gregory Rosmaita: now staff contact for HTML WG ←
14:11:08 <oedipus> RM: find out where we are from steven's point of view -- don't know why didn't share report -- perhaps not around -- will discuss in the new year
Roland Merrick: find out where we are from steven's point of view -- don't know why didn't share report -- perhaps not around -- will discuss in the new year ←
14:11:17 <oedipus> TOPIC: Open Action Items
14:11:33 <oedipus> RM: processed Role comments last week -- any more shane?
Roland Merrick: processed Role comments last week -- any more shane? ←
14:11:42 <oedipus> shane: working through them
Shane McCarron: working through them ←
14:11:54 <oedipus> RM: modularization comment on IRIs
Roland Merrick: modularization comment on IRIs ←
14:12:24 <oedipus> mark: thought someone took action on this -- think sent mail to RichS on this topic
Mark Birbeck: thought someone took action on this -- think sent mail to RichS on this topic ←
14:12:57 <oedipus> RM: item in question from frank -- addressed?
Roland Merrick: item in question from frank -- addressed? ←
14:13:41 <oedipus> mark: not yet addressed
Mark Birbeck: not yet addressed ←
14:13:50 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017 ←
14:14:00 <Roland> WD xhtml-modularization -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017
Roland Merrick: WD xhtml-modularization -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0017 ←
14:14:10 <oedipus> RM: underway on that one?
Roland Merrick: underway on that one? ←
14:14:22 <oedipus> mark: never done anything on this -- let's ponder a moment, shall we?
Mark Birbeck: never done anything on this -- let's ponder a moment, shall we? ←
14:14:30 <oedipus> [the group ponders]
[the group ponders] ←
14:15:19 <oedipus> RM: suggesting we plagerize schema spec for URIs?
Roland Merrick: suggesting we plagerize schema spec for URIs? ←
14:15:28 <oedipus> mark: already do
Mark Birbeck: already do ←
14:16:16 <oedipus> RM: comment in 4.3 -- may be superfluous -- if remove note and just refer to schema should be ok
Roland Merrick: comment in 4.3 -- may be superfluous -- if remove note and just refer to schema should be ok ←
14:16:25 <oedipus> mark: ok -- wish i knew why note was added...
Mark Birbeck: ok -- wish i knew why note was added... ←
14:16:32 <oedipus> RM: people asked about IRIs in past
Roland Merrick: people asked about IRIs in past ←
14:16:48 <oedipus> RM: shane, can you remove not?
Roland Merrick: shane, can you remove not? ←
14:16:54 <oedipus> shane: doing it right now -- done
Shane McCarron: doing it right now -- done ←
14:17:18 <oedipus> RM: can close this particular item
Roland Merrick: can close this particular item ←
14:17:54 <oedipus> shane: not in issue tracking system -- no formal comment on spec in comment period
Shane McCarron: not in issue tracking system -- no formal comment on spec in comment period ←
14:18:17 <oedipus> RM: wouldn't do any harm to reply to poster that removing note
Roland Merrick: wouldn't do any harm to reply to poster that removing note ←
14:18:23 <oedipus> shane: will send response
Shane McCarron: will send response ←
14:18:26 <oedipus> RM: great
Roland Merrick: great ←
14:18:37 <oedipus> TOPIC: Name of Serialization of HTML5
14:18:44 <oedipus> RM: not sure can do much about this
Roland Merrick: not sure can do much about this ←
14:18:58 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001 ←
14:19:37 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0001.html ←
14:19:52 <oedipus> GJR thoughts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0006.html
GJR thoughts: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0006.html ←
14:20:24 <oedipus> RM: not sure anything to do here -- talking about XHTML5 -- consumer confusion concerns -- why not just HTML5 with XML serialization
Roland Merrick: not sure anything to do here -- talking about XHTML5 -- consumer confusion concerns -- why not just HTML5 with XML serialization ←
14:21:28 <oedipus> shane: not XHTML -- nothing in common with actual HTML5
Shane McCarron: not XHTML -- nothing in common with actual HTML5 ←
14:21:56 <oedipus> RM: just anounced public draft to be published
Roland Merrick: just anounced public draft to be published ←
14:22:30 <oedipus> GJR: 26 February 2008 -- trying to move up (issuing the first public draft of HTML5)
Gregory Rosmaita: 26 February 2008 -- trying to move up (issuing the first public draft of HTML5) ←
14:22:41 <oedipus> RM: approval for issuing first WD done
Roland Merrick: approval for issuing first WD done ←
14:23:13 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0203.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Dec/0203.html ←
14:24:07 <oedipus> RM: looking at ChrisL's approval - HTML5 spec first WD will be published next week 27 december 2007
Roland Merrick: looking at ChrisL's approval - HTML5 spec first WD will be published next week 27 december 2007 ←
14:28:20 <oedipus> RM: not sure should agonize over what HTML5 is doing
Roland Merrick: not sure should agonize over what HTML5 is doing ←
14:28:22 <oedipus> shane: agree
Shane McCarron: agree ←
14:28:25 <oedipus> GJR: agree
Gregory Rosmaita: agree ←
14:28:55 <oedipus> TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 - xml:space in validator
14:28:59 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0023 ←
14:29:24 <oedipus> [the sound of silent reading]
[the sound of silent reading] ←
14:29:32 <oedipus> shane: already dealt with this
Shane McCarron: already dealt with this ←
14:29:37 <oedipus> RM: complete?
Roland Merrick: complete? ←
14:29:41 <oedipus> shane: yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
14:33:45 <oedipus> RM: how to write up what to do in this area?
Roland Merrick: how to write up what to do in this area? ←
14:34:08 <oedipus> shane: moved DTDs out of TR space -- under /MarkUp now -- may be part of problem
Shane McCarron: moved DTDs out of TR space -- under /MarkUp now -- may be part of problem ←
14:34:25 <oedipus> ACTION Roland: sort out versioning and shortnames
ACTION Roland: sort out versioning and shortnames ←
14:35:04 <oedipus> shane: if have updated WD if something is already a rec, is it our responsibility to alert the validator people
Shane McCarron: if have updated WD if something is already a rec, is it our responsibility to alert the validator people ←
14:35:26 <oedipus> RM: dated version goes to TR space when actually recommendation -- can't replace 1.1
Roland Merrick: dated version goes to TR space when actually recommendation -- can't replace 1.1 ←
14:35:35 <oedipus> RM: also versined through dated name
Roland Merrick: also versined through dated name ←
14:36:03 <oedipus> shane: going forward, need to say DTD identifier is gotten to from dated name -- otherwise go to wrong DTD
Shane McCarron: going forward, need to say DTD identifier is gotten to from dated name -- otherwise go to wrong DTD ←
14:36:11 <oedipus> RM: will review and share info with WG
Roland Merrick: will review and share info with WG ←
14:36:36 <oedipus> RM: close this item in tracker
Roland Merrick: close this item in tracker ←
14:36:46 <oedipus> TOPIC: Prefix mapping in role and/or RDFa
14:36:53 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0021
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0021 ←
14:36:53 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0033.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0033.html ←
14:37:30 <oedipus> RM: replied to item 33?
Roland Merrick: replied to item 33? ←
14:37:36 <oedipus> shane: yes, had as action last week
Shane McCarron: yes, had as action last week ←
14:37:51 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab ←
14:37:52 <oedipus> shane: real topic is producing vocabulary document at end of vocabulary reference
Shane McCarron: real topic is producing vocabulary document at end of vocabulary reference ←
14:38:24 <oedipus> shane: needs to use new content-negotiation stuff TAG currently debating; Ralph Zwick offered assisstance
Shane McCarron: needs to use new content-negotiation stuff TAG currently debating; Ralph Swick offered assisstance ←
14:38:53 <oedipus> shane: plan is to produce document at URI i cited that uses RDFa to encode the vocabulary
Shane McCarron: plan is to produce document at URI i cited that uses RDFa to encode the vocabulary ←
14:38:56 <markbirbeck> s/Zwick/Swick/
14:39:05 <markbirbeck> :)
Mark Birbeck: :) ←
14:39:33 <oedipus> shane: think that should go long way towards resolution -- what is the default prefix in XHTML family documents -- we've said "it is this"
Shane McCarron: think that should go long way towards resolution -- what is the default prefix in XHTML family documents -- we've said "it is this" ←
14:39:43 <oedipus> mark: agree (for the time-being)
Mark Birbeck: agree (for the time-being) ←
14:39:49 <markbirbeck> (Should have '#' on the end.)
Mark Birbeck: (Should have '#' on the end.) ←
14:40:05 <oedipus> RM: going to be a while before finish?
Roland Merrick: going to be a while before finish? ←
14:40:15 <oedipus> shane: before end of year -- relatively simple, just has to be done
Shane McCarron: before end of year -- relatively simple, just has to be done ←
14:41:05 <ShaneM> ACTION: ShaneM to produce a vocabulary document that will go at the vocab# URI and use RDFa to annotate the items.
Shane McCarron: ACTION: ShaneM to produce a vocabulary document that will go at the vocab# URI and use RDFa to annotate the items. ←
14:41:44 <oedipus> RM: ok, we can move on then...
Roland Merrick: ok, we can move on then... ←
14:42:17 <oedipus> RM: state of HTML5 still in flux -- just received note from Ian Jacobs -- in middle of publishing moratorium
Roland Merrick: state of HTML5 still in flux -- just received note from Ian Jacobs -- in middle of publishing moratorium ←
14:42:33 <oedipus> TOPIC: Legacy Module
14:42:43 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009 ←
14:43:05 <oedipus> shane: m12n 2 doesn't have legacy module -- doesn't mean can't, just don't have one
Shane McCarron: m12n 2 doesn't have legacy module -- doesn't mean can't, just don't have one ←
14:43:51 <oedipus> shane: 2 issues: 1) put those in legacy module; 2) should there be a legacy module in XHTML2 or not -- should it be part of language or available to those extending language
Shane McCarron: 2 issues: 1) put those in legacy module; 2) should there be a legacy module in XHTML2 or not -- should it be part of language or available to those extending language ←
14:44:06 <oedipus> RM: shouldn't make decision until discern what legacy will be needed
Roland Merrick: shouldn't make decision until discern what legacy will be needed ←
14:44:25 <oedipus> RM: how to dispose of note - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009
Roland Merrick: how to dispose of note - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0009 ←
14:45:03 <oedipus> shane: [re-reads comment] suggesting we make changes to what is in legacy module for 1.1 -- asking us to add things to 1.1
Shane McCarron: [re-reads comment] suggesting we make changes to what is in legacy module for 1.1 -- asking us to add things to 1.1 ←
14:45:49 <oedipus> shane: it isn't a bad suggestion --
Shane McCarron: it isn't a bad suggestion -- ←
14:46:00 <oedipus> RM: anyone any thoughts on this?
Roland Merrick: anyone any thoughts on this? ←
14:46:17 <oedipus> shane: legacy module not used by anybody in reality
Shane McCarron: legacy module not used by anybody in reality ←
14:46:27 <oedipus> RM: problems with legacy module
Roland Merrick: problems with legacy module ←
14:46:47 <oedipus> Yam: used legacy modules to define so could apply CSS
Toshihiko Yamakami: used legacy modules to define so could apply CSS ←
14:46:59 <oedipus> shane: would introducing these attributes help or hurt?
Shane McCarron: would introducing these attributes help or hurt? ←
14:47:12 <oedipus> Yam: if have legacy module don't think will hurt
Toshihiko Yamakami: if have legacy module don't think will hurt ←
14:47:26 <ShaneM> Concerned that adding things to legacy will change conformance requirements...
Shane McCarron: Concerned that adding things to legacy will change conformance requirements... ←
14:47:40 <oedipus> RM: please think about it shane and yam and everyone else -- return to it in new year -- been around for a long time, so should clear ASAP
Roland Merrick: please think about it shane and yam and everyone else -- return to it in new year -- been around for a long time, so should clear ASAP ←
14:47:58 <oedipus> shane: want to hear StevenP's opinion on it, too
Shane McCarron: want to hear StevenP's opinion on it, too ←
14:48:04 <oedipus> RM: will discuss in new year
Roland Merrick: will discuss in new year ←
14:48:11 <oedipus> TOPIC: @Talign (erratum)
14:48:16 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0009
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0009 ←
14:48:31 <oedipus> azkim, draft minutes
azkim, draft minutes ←
14:48:39 <oedipus> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:48:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:49:31 <oedipus> shane: DL with "type" attribute -- this is ancient stuff -- asking for reply to older post; HTML4 comment not our balliwick -- comment about modularization legacy which can't find (no pointer provided)
Shane McCarron: DL with "type" attribute -- this is ancient stuff -- asking for reply to older post; HTML4 comment not our balliwick -- comment about modularization legacy which can't find (no pointer provided) ←
14:49:41 <oedipus> RM: no reference to previous note
Roland Merrick: no reference to previous note ←
14:49:56 <oedipus> shane: found it -- sent on 27 july -- found in personal mailbox
Shane McCarron: found it -- sent on 27 july -- found in personal mailbox ←
14:50:40 <oedipus> shane: sent to html-editor -- says DL doesn't take type attribute in m12n -- he's right
Shane McCarron: sent to html-editor -- says DL doesn't take type attribute in m12n -- he's right ←
14:51:12 <oedipus> shane: think i can just fix it -- have to update the decisions and comments document
Shane McCarron: think i can just fix it -- have to update the decisions and comments document ←
14:51:28 <ShaneM> ACTION: Update M12N DoC and M12N to remove the erroneous @type from the dl element in legacy.
Shane McCarron: ACTION: Update M12N DoC and M12N to remove the erroneous @type from the dl element in legacy. ←
14:51:45 <oedipus> RM: you'll reply to commenter directly as well
Roland Merrick: you'll reply to commenter directly as well ←
14:51:47 <oedipus> shane: yes
Shane McCarron: yes ←
14:51:59 <oedipus> TOPIC: XML Schema implementation for XHTML 2.0 (request from UWA WG)
14:52:03 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0038.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0038.html ←
14:52:10 <oedipus> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:52:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
14:52:27 <oedipus> shane: already responded and told them we will do it
Shane McCarron: already responded and told them we will do it ←
14:52:39 <oedipus> RM: ok another issue cleared
Roland Merrick: ok another issue cleared ←
14:53:01 <oedipus> TOPIC: Items relating to CURIES
14:53:26 <oedipus> RM: syntax problems
Roland Merrick: syntax problems ←
14:53:26 <oedipus> Suffix ambiguity: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0066.html
Suffix ambiguity: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0066.html ←
14:53:47 <oedipus> Syntax problems (PR#8010) - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0051
Syntax problems (PR#8010) - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0051 ←
14:54:00 <oedipus> Comments on WD-curie-20070307 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0000
Comments on WD-curie-20070307 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0000 ←
14:54:34 <oedipus> RM: double colon is valid -- first colon delimiter, second part of URI -- first prefix has to be named
Roland Merrick: double colon is valid -- first colon delimiter, second part of URI -- first prefix has to be named ←
14:54:46 <oedipus> RM: thought we investigated this
Roland Merrick: thought we investigated this ←
14:55:04 <oedipus> shane: numbers are in hex without leading zero
Shane McCarron: numbers are in hex without leading zero ←
14:55:31 <oedipus> RM: http://blah.blah[hexvalue]
Roland Merrick: http://blah.blah[hexvalue] ←
14:55:37 <markbirbeck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Literal_IPv6_addresses_in_URLs
Mark Birbeck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Literal_IPv6_addresses_in_URLs ←
14:56:14 <oedipus> [much reading and pondering]
[much reading and pondering] ←
14:56:28 <markbirbeck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Notation
Mark Birbeck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6#Notation ←
14:56:45 <oedipus> mark: to get double-colon using feature that allows substitution of two colons for zero
Mark Birbeck: to get double-colon using feature that allows substitution of two colons for zero ←
14:57:13 <oedipus> mark: could be six quadruple zeros
Mark Birbeck: could be six quadruple zeros ←
14:57:20 <oedipus> shane: what's the real issue?
Shane McCarron: what's the real issue? ←
14:57:35 <oedipus> shane: is it actually a problem?
Shane McCarron: is it actually a problem? ←
14:58:09 <oedipus> mark: if an IPv6 appears without protocol at front and relative path at end can be (mark can you finish your thought in IRC?)
Mark Birbeck: if an IPv6 appears without protocol at front and relative path at end can be (mark can you finish your thought in IRC?) ←
14:58:23 <markbirbeck> i.e., if it's possible to have this: "[dead::beef]", then we hvae a problem.
Mark Birbeck: i.e., if it's possible to have this: "[dead::beef]", then we hvae a problem. ←
14:58:25 <markbirbeck> But...
Mark Birbeck: But... ←
14:58:39 <markbirbeck> if you have to hvae this: "http://[dead::beef]/" then we don't.
Mark Birbeck: if you have to hvae this: "http://[dead::beef]/" then we don't. ←
14:58:42 <oedipus> 2 minute warning
2 minute warning ←
14:59:10 <markbirbeck> ...just looking at rfc 2732 ...
Mark Birbeck: ...just looking at rfc 2732 ... ←
14:59:49 <oedipus> MB: like postname
Mark Birbeck: like hostname ←
14:59:56 <oedipus> shane: has to have scheme
Shane McCarron: has to have scheme ←
15:00:01 <markbirbeck> s/postname/hostname/
15:00:03 <oedipus> s/postname/hostname
15:00:26 <oedipus> shane: ever replied to this?
Shane McCarron: ever replied to this? ←
15:00:43 <oedipus> shane: check and see if in issue tracking system
Shane McCarron: check and see if in issue tracking system ←
15:01:08 <oedipus> RM: quoting "alternatively, the ambiguity brackets... could be disposed of using suffixes and CURIEs"
Roland Merrick: quoting "alternatively, the ambiguity brackets... could be disposed of using suffixes and CURIEs" ←
15:01:40 <oedipus> it's a might be a problem, not a documented problem
it's a might be a problem, not a documented problem ←
15:02:02 <oedipus> shane: what to do with this
Shane McCarron: what to do with this ←
15:02:07 <oedipus> mark: need to reply
Mark Birbeck: need to reply ←
15:02:21 <oedipus> shane: typing it now -- i'll do it (curie suffix URI ambiguity)
Shane McCarron: typing it now -- i'll do it (curie suffix URI ambiguity) ←
15:02:23 <oedipus> GJR wants to publicly thank shane for work on improving the W3C diffmarking service
GJR wants to publicly thank shane for work on improving the W3C diffmarking service ←
15:03:12 <oedipus> mark: clarify -- "CURIE syntax document should warn..." -- should just tighten up -- should say thanks for comment we will be tightening up
Mark Birbeck: clarify -- "CURIE syntax document should warn..." -- should just tighten up -- should say thanks for comment we will be tightening up ←
15:03:54 <oedipus> RM: some other CURIE bits and RDFa module issues -- syntax issues and comments; let's work our way through this on list and get onto more current issues
Roland Merrick: some other CURIE bits and RDFa module issues -- syntax issues and comments; let's work our way through this on list and get onto more current issues ←
15:04:30 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:04:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:04:32 <Zakim> -ShaneM_
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM_ ←
15:04:34 <Zakim> -alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -alessio ←
15:04:35 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
15:04:37 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
15:04:38 <Zakim> -yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
15:04:40 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
15:04:41 <markbirbeck> happy Xmas everyone!
Mark Birbeck: happy Xmas everyone! ←
15:04:42 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended ←
15:04:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, Gregory_Rosmaita, alessio, yamx, +020768aabb, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM_, Gregory_Rosmaita, alessio, yamx, +020768aabb, markbirbeck ←
15:04:58 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
15:05:00 <yamx> Season's greetings and happy holidays!
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 21 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: Season's greetings and happy holidays! ←
15:05:14 <oedipus> set logs public
set logs public ←
15:05:19 <oedipus> rrsagent set logs public
rrsagent set logs public ←
15:06:12 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes public
Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make minutes public ←
15:06:12 <oedipus> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
rrsagent, set logs world-visible ←
15:06:17 <ShaneM> ahh okay
Shane McCarron: ahh okay ←
15:06:25 <oedipus> thanks shane
thanks shane ←
15:06:28 <ShaneM> my cats are climbing my xmas tree - way funny
Shane McCarron: my cats are climbing my xmas tree - way funny ←
15:07:03 <oedipus> my cats are climbing me and have been all telecon long - not very funny (well, it would be if i weren't the object of their climbing)
my cats are climbing me and have been all telecon long - not very funny (well, it would be if i weren't the object of their climbing) ←
15:07:06 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
15:07:19 <alessio> haha
Alessio Cartocci: haha ←
15:07:30 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:07:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
15:07:39 <oedipus> meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Call
15:07:49 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:07:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:07:52 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:07:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
15:08:02 <oedipus> chair: Roland
15:08:05 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:08:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:08:34 <oedipus> who's in the 763 area code?
who's in the 763 area code? ←
15:08:43 <ShaneM> me
Shane McCarron: me ←
15:08:48 <oedipus> ok
ok ←
15:08:59 <oedipus> present- aaaa
present- aaaa ←
15:09:06 <oedipus> present+ ShaneM
present+ ShaneM ←
15:09:10 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:09:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:09:44 <oedipus> present- [+1.763.767.aaaa]
present- [+1.763.767.aaaa] ←
15:09:46 <Roland> minutes now look good, thanks for scribing
Roland Merrick: minutes now look good, thanks for scribing ←
15:09:47 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:09:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:10:02 <oedipus> no problem -- just trying to tie up loose ends
no problem -- just trying to tie up loose ends ←
15:10:19 <Roland> excellent
Roland Merrick: excellent ←
15:10:31 <oedipus> roland, do you know who the other mystery phone number belongs to?
roland, do you know who the other mystery phone number belongs to? ←
15:10:46 <oedipus> +020768aabb
+020768aabb ←
15:10:53 <Roland> could be mark birbeck
Roland Merrick: could be mark birbeck ←
15:11:02 <oedipus> ah..
ah.. ←
15:11:07 <Roland> looks like a London number
Roland Merrick: looks like a London number ←
15:11:15 <oedipus> present- aabb
present- aabb ←
15:11:27 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:11:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:11:59 <oedipus> sometimes the syntax for correcting/removing numbers doesn't seem to work, other times it does...
sometimes the syntax for correcting/removing numbers doesn't seem to work, other times it does... ←
15:12:01 <Roland> 020768 is the start of Mark.B's phone number
Roland Merrick: 020768 is the start of Mark.B's phone number ←
15:12:18 <oedipus> present- 020768aabb
present- 020768aabb ←
15:12:24 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:12:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:12:48 <oedipus> should i just leave the numbers in the attendees list?
should i just leave the numbers in the attendees list? ←
15:13:05 <oedipus> present- [+020768aabb]
present- [+020768aabb] ←
15:13:07 <oedipus> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:13:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:13:10 <Roland> I do not think they create any difficulties
Roland Merrick: I do not think they create any difficulties ←
15:13:22 <oedipus> ok
ok ←
15:13:34 <oedipus> zakim, please part
zakim, please part ←
15:13:42 <Roland> thanks again. Season's Greetings!
Roland Merrick: thanks again. Season's Greetings! ←
15:13:49 <oedipus> same to you!
same to you! ←
15:14:37 <alessio> same to you :)
Alessio Cartocci: same to you :) ←
15:14:46 <oedipus> rrsagent, publish minutes
rrsagent, publish minutes ←
15:14:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus ←
15:14:58 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
rrsagent, please part ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Roland to sort out versioning and shortnames [1]
ACTION: Roland to sort out versioning and shortnames [1] ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc#T14-34-25
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc#T14-34-25 ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM to produce a vocabulary document that will go at the vocab# URI and use RDFa to annotate the items. [2]
ACTION: ShaneM to produce a vocabulary document that will go at the vocab# URI and use RDFa to annotate the items. [2] ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc#T14-41-05
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc#T14-41-05 ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Update M12N DoC and M12N to remove the erroneous @type from the dl element in legacy. [3]
ACTION: Update M12N DoC and M12N to remove the erroneous @type from the dl element in legacy. [3] ←
15:14:58 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc#T14-51-28
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-xhtml-irc#T14-51-28 ←
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