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13:10:47 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-irc ←
13:10:54 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:10:54 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 50 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 50 minutes ←
13:12:26 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:12:41 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
13:13:14 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0096
13:13:23 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0096
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0096 ←
13:49:16 <alessio> hi
(No events recorded for 35 minutes)
Alessio Cartocci: hi ←
13:58:40 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
(No events recorded for 9 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started ←
13:58:47 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:58:49 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, code? ←
13:58:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz ←
13:59:59 <Zakim> + +013868aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +013868aaaa ←
14:00:49 <Steven> Regrets: Tina
14:01:04 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:01:04 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:01:06 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:01:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:01:43 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, codes? ←
14:01:44 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, markbirbeck. ←
14:01:47 <Steven> zakim, 013 is Roland
Steven Pemberton: zakim, 013 is Roland ←
14:01:47 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '013'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named '013' ←
14:01:56 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
14:01:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
14:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.303.410.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.410.aabb ←
14:02:01 <Steven> zakim, +013 is Roland
Steven Pemberton: zakim, +013 is Roland ←
14:02:02 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland; got it ←
14:02:09 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:02:30 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
14:02:30 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p13 is me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, ??p13 is me ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Schnitz; got it ←
14:02:33 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
14:02:39 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, mute me ←
14:02:39 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should now be muted ←
14:02:57 <Rich> Zakim, ??P15 is Rich
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Zakim, ??P15 is Rich ←
14:02:57 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as ChriLi, Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P15 as ChriLi, Rich ←
14:03:05 <Rich> Zakim, ??P14 is Rich
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Zakim, ??P14 is Rich ←
14:03:05 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it ←
14:03:09 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, +1.303.410.aabb, Schnitz (muted), Rich, ??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, +1.303.410.aabb, Schnitz (muted), Rich, ??P20 ←
14:03:10 <alessio> zakim, ??p20 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??p20 is Alessio ←
14:03:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Roland, Schnitz, alessio, ShaneM, myakura, Tina, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Rich, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Roland, Schnitz, alessio, ShaneM, myakura, Tina, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Rich, krijnh ←
14:03:18 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:04:03 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:04:14 <Schnitz> Hi Shane
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: Hi Shane ←
14:04:31 <alessio> zakim, ??p14 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??p14 is Alessio ←
14:04:31 <Zakim> I already had ??P14 as Rich, alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P14 as Rich, alessio ←
14:04:33 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
14:04:43 <yamx> zakim, ?P20 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ?P20 is yamx ←
14:04:43 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '?P20' ←
14:04:52 <Steven> zakim, ??P20 is Yamx
Steven Pemberton: zakim, ??P20 is Yamx ←
14:04:52 <Zakim> +Yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yamx; got it ←
14:04:57 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, +1.303.410.aabb, Schnitz (muted), Rich, Yamx
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, +1.303.410.aabb, Schnitz (muted), Rich, Yamx ←
14:04:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Roland, Schnitz, alessio, ShaneM, myakura, Tina, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Rich, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Roland, Schnitz, alessio, ShaneM, myakura, Tina, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Rich, krijnh ←
14:05:11 <Steven> zakim, Rich is Alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakim, Rich is Alessio ←
14:05:11 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:05:19 <Steven> zakim, aabb is Rich
Steven Pemberton: zakim, aabb is Rich ←
14:05:19 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it ←
14:05:24 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Rich, Schnitz (muted), Alessio, Yamx
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Rich, Schnitz (muted), Alessio, Yamx ←
14:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Roland, Schnitz, alessio, ShaneM, myakura, Tina, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Rich, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, markbirbeck, Roland, Schnitz, alessio, ShaneM, myakura, Tina, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Rich, krijnh ←
14:06:12 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:06:28 <oedipus> Zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: Zakim, mute me ←
14:06:28 <Zakim> sorry, oedipus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, oedipus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
14:06:37 <oedipus> zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:06:37 <Zakim> Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted ←
14:06:57 <Zakim> +??P21
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←
14:07:09 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
14:07:09 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←
14:07:10 <oedipus> GJR *should* be there -- our meeting conflicts with HTML WG meeting
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: GJR *should* be there -- our meeting conflicts with HTML WG meeting ←
14:08:53 <oedipus> U.S. changes at 2am 4 november 2007
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: U.S. changes at 2am 4 november 2007 ←
14:09:11 <ShaneM> I think japan time does NOT changte next week
Shane McCarron: I think japan time does NOT changte next week ←
14:09:33 <ShaneM> the week after that there won't be a call.
Shane McCarron: the week after that there won't be a call. ←
14:10:22 <Steven> Roland: The FtF is in a week and a half, unfortunately few of us will be there, so Steven and I will get together to decide what to do
Roland Merrick: The FtF is in a week and a half, unfortunately few of us will be there, so Steven and I will get together to decide what to do ←
14:10:38 <Steven> Topic: Call times
14:10:50 <Steven> Steven: European time changes next week, watch out!
Steven Pemberton: European time changes next week, watch out! ←
14:11:03 <Steven> ACTION Steven: send message about call times
ACTION Steven: send message about call times ←
14:11:19 <Roland> ITS Best Practices
Roland Merrick: ITS Best Practices ←
14:11:22 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0019
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0019 ←
14:11:47 <Steven> Topic: Reviews
14:12:04 <Steven> Steven: Mark, Shane and I agreed to review ITS
Steven Pemberton: Mark, Shane and I agreed to review ITS ←
14:12:08 <Steven> ... no deadline though
... no deadline though ←
14:12:21 <Steven> Roland: Let's set one
Roland Merrick: Let's set one ←
14:12:36 <Steven> Shane: 15 Nov?
Shane McCarron: 15 Nov? ←
14:12:39 <Steven> Steven: OK
Steven Pemberton: OK ←
14:12:46 <Steven> Mark: OK
Mark Birbeck: OK ←
14:13:37 <Steven> Steven: CSS Mobile profile is realted to our work on Basic, so it was thought we should review
Steven Pemberton: CSS Mobile profile is related to our work on Basic, so it was thought we should review ←
14:14:09 <Steven> s/real/rela/
14:14:18 <Steven> ... deadline Nov 13
... deadline Nov 13 ←
14:14:26 <Steven> ... I would like to review
... I would like to review ←
14:14:31 <Steven> Yam: I will too
Toshihiko Yamakami: I will too ←
14:15:10 <Steven> ACTION: Yam and Steven to review CSS Mobile Profile last call by Nov 13
ACTION: Yam and Steven to review CSS Mobile Profile last call by Nov 13 ←
14:15:24 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css-mobile-20071019
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css-mobile-20071019 ←
14:15:46 <Steven> Topic: Aria
14:16:09 <Steven> Rich: What we have agreed is to have a meeting next week
Richard Schwerdtfeger: What we have agreed is to have a meeting next week ←
14:16:16 <Steven> ... with some other groups
... with some other groups ←
14:16:57 <oedipus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0098.html
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0098.html ←
14:17:01 <oedipus> joint meeting Wednesday, October 31 at 9:00AM EST, 13:00 GMT to build W3C consenus on supporting ARIA more easily and consistently between HTML, XHTML and SVG
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: joint meeting Wednesday, October 31 at 9:00AM EST, 13:00 GMT to build W3C consenus on supporting ARIA more easily and consistently between HTML, XHTML and SVG ←
14:17:31 <Steven> Rich: We won't make decisions, only discuss the issues
Richard Schwerdtfeger: We won't make decisions, only discuss the issues ←
14:17:44 <Steven> ... it is to get ARIA into HTML, XHTML and SVG
... it is to get ARIA into HTML, XHTML and SVG ←
14:18:05 <Steven> ... there is a problem with colon in IE7
... there is a problem with colon in IE7 ←
14:18:23 <Steven> ... we don't wnat different solutions for different markups
... we don't want different solutions for different markups ←
14:18:33 <Steven> s/wnat/want/
14:18:54 <Steven> Rich: I am in favoiur of aria-* for the attributes
Richard Schwerdtfeger: I am in favoiur of aria-* for the attributes ←
created using i/saw RS' message/Scribe: oedipus
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(Scribe set to Unknown oedipus)
14:19:23 <oedipus> Steve: saw RS' message - don't understand -- something to do with CSS and colons
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Steven Pemberton: saw RS' message - don't understand -- something to do with CSS and colons ←
14:19:46 <oedipus> Rich: CSS Selectors cannot be fired if have a colon in IE
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Richard Schwerdtfeger: CSS Selectors cannot be fired if have a colon in IE ←
14:19:53 <oedipus> Steve: problem with attribute selectors?
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Steven Pemberton: problem with attribute selectors? ←
14:19:59 <oedipus> Rich: IE has them but buggy
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Richard Schwerdtfeger: IE has them but buggy ←
14:20:30 <oedipus> Rich: IE7 has attribute selectors; to trigger, can't have colon delimited attribute; would have to refresh doc to pick up CSS change
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Richard Schwerdtfeger: IE7 has attribute selectors; to trigger, can't have colon delimited attribute; would have to refresh doc to pick up CSS change ←
14:21:25 <oedipus> Rich: if change value of an ARIA propert (checked from true to false) if use NS attribute, can't set CSS selector to trigger CSS styling; if remove colon and use aria dash, can set CSS Selector that will change with it, but to cause CSS to redraw, need to refresh page via javascript, then picked up
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: if change value of an ARIA propert (checked from true to false) if use NS attribute, can't set CSS selector to trigger CSS styling; if remove colon and use aria dash, can set CSS Selector that will change with it, but to cause CSS to redraw, need to refresh page via javascript, then picked up ←
14:21:39 <oedipus> Steve: markup design based on bug in IE7
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Steven Pemberton: markup design based on bug in IE7 ←
14:21:49 <oedipus> Rich: 70% use; years before goes away
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: 70% use; years before goes away ←
14:22:09 <oedipus> Steve: heard from ChrisW that IE going to implement CSS 2.1 -- will it be fixed in IE 7.1
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Steven Pemberton: heard from ChrisW that IE going to implement CSS 2.1 -- will it be fixed in IE 7.1 ←
14:22:18 <oedipus> Rich: said that about IE7, too
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: said that about IE7, too ←
14:22:31 <oedipus> Steve: bug in IE CSS Selectors determining markup?
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Steven Pemberton: bug in IE CSS Selectors determining markup? ←
14:22:44 <oedipus> Steve: IE7 *may*
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Steven Pemberton: IE7 *may* ←
14:23:22 <markbirbeck> q+
Mark Birbeck: q+ ←
14:23:36 <oedipus> Rich: had discussions with Marc Silbey of microsoft and email discussions with ChrisW -- no comitment as to date may be fixed; may not even be IE 7.1 could be IE 8
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: had discussions with Marc Silbey of microsoft and email discussions with ChrisW -- no comitment as to date may be fixed; may not even be IE 7.1 could be IE 8 ←
14:23:53 <oedipus> ???: would be useful to have ChrisW's take on this
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???: would be useful to have ChrisW's take on this ←
14:24:19 <oedipus> Rich: hope call can remain small; ChrisW welcome to call; copied to PFWG
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: hope call can remain small; ChrisW welcome to call; copied to PFWG ←
14:24:30 <markbirbeck> ??? = Roland
Mark Birbeck: ??? = Roland ←
14:25:03 <oedipus> Steve: understand keen getting into firefox3 and next version of opera, so want agreed syntax now, but not convinced that part of the solution is based on a bug in one version of IE -- not sufficient reason for chosing a solution
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Steven Pemberton: understand keen getting into firefox3 and next version of opera, so want agreed syntax now, but not convinced that part of the solution is based on a bug in one version of IE -- not sufficient reason for chosing a solution ←
14:25:16 <oedipus> Rich: don't see why needs namespacing? put role in, why not this?
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: don't see why needs namespacing? put role in, why not this? ←
14:26:35 <oedipus> Roland: things getting mixed up; focus on IE7 is irrelevant because no solution for IE6 -- one way of doing ARIA is binding mechanisms using CSS selectors using attributes, not work on IE6, so not a solution for ARIA; colon issue irrelevant -- need another technique to bind to library -- dojo, for example, walks DOM and finds attribute settings
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Roland Merrick: things getting mixed up; focus on IE7 is irrelevant because no solution for IE6 -- one way of doing ARIA is binding mechanisms using CSS selectors using attributes, not work on IE6, so not a solution for ARIA; colon issue irrelevant -- need another technique to bind to library -- dojo, for example, walks DOM and finds attribute settings ←
14:26:41 <oedipus> Rich: dramatically increases download time
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: dramatically increases download time ←
14:26:51 <oedipus> Roland: makes no sense
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Roland Merrick: makes no sense ←
14:26:59 <oedipus> Rich: want to get away from writing all this script
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: want to get away from writing all this script ←
14:27:07 <oedipus> Roland: only a solution for IE 7.x plus
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Roland Merrick: only a solution for IE 7.x plus ←
14:27:54 <Roland> Mark is doing most of the talking here, not Roland
Roland Merrick: Mark is doing most of the talking here, not Roland ←
14:28:48 <oedipus> Mark: first: naming convention used for attribute based on particular technique in ARIA -- could be lots of ways of implementing ARIA -- one is using CSS selectors, but not only way; doesn't HAVE to be done that way; bigger issue solutions for XML and XHTML -- big hole that is missing -- ghettoizing things; creating walls and wars between groups; should consider a number of namespacing techs; define in more abstract way
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Mark Birbeck: first: naming convention used for attribute based on particular technique in ARIA -- could be lots of ways of implementing ARIA -- one is using CSS selectors, but not only way; doesn't HAVE to be done that way; bigger issue solutions for XML and XHTML -- big hole that is missing -- ghettoizing things; creating walls and wars between groups; should consider a number of namespacing techs; define in more abstract way ←
14:29:18 <oedipus> Mark: define role so 3 different ways to do same thing and cover all use cases
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Mark Birbeck: define role so 3 different ways to do same thing and cover all use cases ←
14:29:47 <oedipus> ???: what do we need to find a solution to? no real clear statement of problem -- several ways to address
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???: what do we need to find a solution to? no real clear statement of problem -- several ways to address ←
14:29:57 <oedipus> Rich: want consistency across technologies
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: want consistency across technologies ←
14:30:17 <oedipus> ???: one, 2, or three may be acceptable, or may choose 1 out of range of all possible solutions
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???: one, 2, or three may be acceptable, or may choose 1 out of range of all possible solutions ←
14:31:04 <oedipus> Steve: advantage of namespacing -- will work in any XML based ML without designing new solution; why not SMIL use ARIA properties -- XML based -- if set of namespaced would work out of box
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Steven Pemberton: advantage of namespacing -- will work in any XML based ML without designing new solution; why not SMIL use ARIA properties -- XML based -- if set of namespaced would work out of box ←
14:31:40 <oedipus> Rich: current ARIA spec does what you suggest; problem is XHTML serialization issue; want same thing for XHTML5 and HTML5 -- both without namespaces
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: current ARIA spec does what you suggest; problem is XHTML serialization issue; want same thing for XHTML5 and HTML5 -- both without namespaces ←
14:31:45 <oedipus> Steve: XML without namespaces
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Steven Pemberton: XML without namespaces ←
14:31:59 <oedipus> Mark: chameleon and non-chamelon -- there are 2 ways
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Mark Birbeck: chameleon and non-chamelon -- there are 2 ways ←
14:32:18 <oedipus> previous comment roland's
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previous comment roland's ←
14:34:24 <oedipus> mark: have technology stack -- fairly verbose way of writing things (spell out namespaces, etc.) -- doesn't lend itself to hand-authored content or familiar content; XML namespaces over the top for HTML and XHTML -- not proposing new namespace, but having aria-checkbox instead of putting all into XML namespace
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Mark Birbeck: have technology stack -- fairly verbose way of writing things (spell out namespaces, etc.) -- doesn't lend itself to hand-authored content or familiar content; XML namespaces over the top for HTML and XHTML -- not proposing new namespace, but having aria-checkbox instead of putting all into XML namespace ←
14:34:26 <oedipus> Rich: just put aria in xh role?
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: just put aria in xh role? ←
14:35:34 <oedipus> mark: any XML language should be able to list attributes and create validatable language -- SteveP's position; HTML -- why matter? no namespaces, so do what's simplest; 2 ends of spectrum
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Mark Birbeck: any XML language should be able to list attributes and create validatable language -- SteveP's position; HTML -- why matter? no namespaces, so do what's simplest; 2 ends of spectrum ←
14:36:01 <oedipus> mark: firefox supports aria- could work in SVG -- what is point of differentiating the 2?
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Mark Birbeck: firefox supports aria- could work in SVG -- what is point of differentiating the 2? ←
14:36:20 <oedipus> mark: not much different than XML events -- namespaced version and non-namespaced version
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Mark Birbeck: not much different than XML events -- namespaced version and non-namespaced version ←
14:36:23 <oedipus> Steve: we do?
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Steven Pemberton: we do? ←
14:37:01 <oedipus> ???: can use ev: (e v colon) anywhere around element; ev-event could be global
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???: can use ev: (e v colon) anywhere around element; ev-event could be global ←
14:37:22 <oedipus> ??: point of using namespacing is that works on DOM level?
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??: point of using namespacing is that works on DOM level? ←
14:37:52 <oedipus> mark: problem XML namespaces trying to solve --
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Mark Birbeck: problem XML namespaces trying to solve -- ←
14:38:18 <oedipus> ??: convenient version and namespace version -- bring into namespace
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??: convenient version and namespace version -- bring into namespace ←
14:38:50 <oedipus> ???: same for ARIA? attribute checkbox -- maybe should have adopted standard prefix convention
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???: same for ARIA? attribute checkbox -- maybe should have adopted standard prefix convention ←
14:38:59 <oedipus> Steve: reinventing namespaces in a way
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Steven Pemberton: reinventing namespaces in a way ←
14:39:17 <oedipus> mark: problem with namespacing is that it imposes technology on people not all software supports
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Mark Birbeck: problem with namespacing is that it imposes technology on people not all software supports ←
14:39:39 <oedipus> roland: have to explore all alternatives; expand alternatives via 31 october meeting
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Roland Merrick: have to explore all alternatives; expand alternatives via 31 october meeting ←
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14:40:05 <ShaneM> so is the problem "how do we scope attribute names and element names in a world where namespaces dont work" ?
Shane McCarron: so is the problem "how do we scope attribute names and element names in a world where namespaces dont work" ? ←
14:40:09 <Steven> Roland: Shall we continue, or move on
Roland Merrick: Shall we continue, or move on ←
14:40:22 <Steven> Mark: We need to be cross-cutting
Mark Birbeck: We need to be cross-cutting ←
14:40:41 <Steven> ... take a step back and before we assume it can't be done, we need to ask some hard questions
... take a step back and before we assume it can't be done, we need to ask some hard questions ←
14:41:04 <Steven> ... then we could make these technologies available in many more places
... then we could make these technologies available in many more places ←
14:41:05 <oedipus> big plus one to stepping back and trying to adopt a standard prefix convention -- ARIA in DAISY (XML-based)
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Unknown oedipus: big plus one to stepping back and trying to adopt a standard prefix convention -- ARIA in DAISY (XML-based) ←
14:41:20 <Steven> Roland: We need a solution, how urgent is this?
Roland Merrick: We need a solution, how urgent is this? ←
14:41:27 <oedipus> next generation of DAISY will be CDF for all intents and purposes
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Unknown oedipus: next generation of DAISY will be CDF for all intents and purposes ←
14:41:33 <Steven> Rich: If we miss Firefox 3, we miss a year
Richard Schwerdtfeger: If we miss Firefox 3, we miss a year ←
14:42:02 <Steven> ... if we agree on aria- and then fix corrs-cutting issues, that would be good
... if we agree on aria- and then fix corrs-cutting issues, that would be good ←
14:42:09 <Steven> s/corss/cross/
s/corss/cross/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:42:25 <Steven> Rich: I want to use this as a catalyst
Richard Schwerdtfeger: I want to use this as a catalyst ←
14:42:32 <Steven> ... for instance for RDFa
... for instance for RDFa ←
14:42:51 <oedipus> RDFa been mentioned before as ARIA implementation model
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Unknown oedipus: RDFa been mentioned before as ARIA implementation model ←
14:42:57 <Steven> Mark: We shouldn't lose aria:checkbox, but also include the alternate syntax
Mark Birbeck: We shouldn't lose aria:checkbox, but also include the alternate syntax ←
14:43:34 <Steven> ... we should seriously consider whether to include both versions of the attributes
... we should seriously consider whether to include both versions of the attributes ←
14:43:47 <oedipus> objection came from SVG
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Unknown oedipus: objection came from SVG ←
14:44:02 <Steven> Steven: Wasn't hyphen a problem? I thought some wanted underscore?
Steven Pemberton: Wasn't hyphen a problem? I thought some wanted underscore? ←
14:44:07 <Steven> Rich: No decision yet
Richard Schwerdtfeger: No decision yet ←
14:44:10 <oedipus> objection to underscore mostly "aesthetic" and "ergonomic" -- no real basis for objecting to underscore
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Unknown oedipus: objection to underscore mostly "aesthetic" and "ergonomic" -- no real basis for objecting to underscore ←
14:44:21 <oedipus> no real arguments against underscore have been advanced
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Unknown oedipus: no real arguments against underscore have been advanced ←
14:44:32 <oedipus> GJR would like to be on call
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Unknown oedipus: GJR would like to be on call ←
14:44:42 <Steven> Roland: Who will participate next week in the call?
Roland Merrick: Who will participate next week in the call? ←
14:44:46 <Steven> Steven: I will
Steven Pemberton: I will ←
14:44:53 <Steven> Mark: I will try to be there
Mark Birbeck: I will try to be there ←
14:45:28 <Steven> Roland: About publications and roadmap
Roland Merrick: About publications and roadmap ←
14:45:36 <Steven> ... we have others that are ready to go
... we have others that are ready to go ←
14:45:44 <Steven> Topic: Pubs
14:45:51 <Steven> Roland: What is ready to go?
Roland Merrick: What is ready to go? ←
14:45:57 <Steven> Shane: A FPWD of access
Shane McCarron: A FPWD of access ←
14:46:18 <Steven> ... do we have a shortname?
... do we have a shortname? ←
14:46:26 <Steven> Steven: Good question. I will check
Steven Pemberton: Good question. I will check ←
14:46:29 <oedipus> plus one to access module public working draft as soon as practicable
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Unknown oedipus: plus one to access module public working draft as soon as practicable ←
14:46:36 <Steven> ACTION: Steven assure there is a shortname for the access module
ACTION: Steven assure there is a shortname for the access module ←
14:47:21 <Steven> Shane: Next - XML Events 2l we have a shortname, and a FPWD, so on to the next version
Shane McCarron: Next - XML Events 2l we have a shortname, and a FPWD, so on to the next version ←
14:47:31 <Steven> s/|/,/
s/|/,/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:47:43 <Steven> Shane: CURIE draft
Shane McCarron: CURIE draft ←
14:47:50 <Steven> ... with changes foillowing RDFa
... with changes folllowing RDFa ←
14:48:03 <Steven> s/foil/foll/
14:48:22 <Steven> Shane: Those three are ready to turn the crank
Shane McCarron: Those three are ready to turn the crank ←
14:48:32 <Steven> .... XHTML2 once updated with RDFa can go
.... XHTML2 once updated with RDFa can go ←
14:48:49 <Steven> Roland: Everyone OK with that?
Roland Merrick: Everyone OK with that? ←
14:50:04 <oedipus> preliminary PF comments (with accompanying thread) begin at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0028.html
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Unknown oedipus: preliminary PF comments (with accompanying thread) begin at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0028.html ←
14:50:07 <oedipus> should finalize today at PF telecon (noon boston time today)
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Unknown oedipus: should finalize today at PF telecon (noon boston time today) ←
14:50:11 <Steven> Steven: And I will push M12N through its transition, either to CR or PR, depending on whether we can have a zero-length CR
Steven Pemberton: And I will push M12N through its transition, either to CR or PR, depending on whether we can have a zero-length CR ←
14:50:45 <Steven> Roland: Shane will ensure that there is an XHTML2 EWD, in order to progress to WD
Roland Merrick: Shane will ensure that there is an XHTML2 EWD, in order to progress to WD ←
14:51:12 <Steven> Shane: There is a whole bunch of stuffr in XHTML2 that defines how RDFa works, and that needs to be pulled and refer to the RDFa draft
Shane McCarron: There is a whole bunch of stuffr in XHTML2 that defines how RDFa works, and that needs to be pulled and refer to the RDFa draft ←
14:51:24 <oedipus> similar to TAG complaint about CURIES in XHTML Role?
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Unknown oedipus: similar to TAG complaint about CURIES in XHTML Role? ←
14:52:06 <Steven> Mark: What is different in XHTML2 that isn't in the modules
Mark Birbeck: What is different in XHTML2 that isn't in the modules ←
14:52:25 <Steven> Steven: section etc, and some global attributes like media href src
Steven Pemberton: section etc, and some global attributes like media href src ←
14:52:45 <Steven> Shane: [scribe missed]
Shane McCarron: [scribe missed] ←
14:53:48 <oedipus> first forms/html wg joint task force telecon may be 31 october 2007, as well
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Unknown oedipus: first forms/html wg joint task force telecon may be 31 october 2007, as well ←
14:53:48 <Steven> Mark: We might be able to do an XHTML 1.2 that includes the existing modules
Mark Birbeck: We might be able to do an XHTML 1.2 that includes the existing modules ←
14:54:08 <Steven> Steven: THen the step to XHTML2 is smaller
Steven Pemberton: Then the step to XHTML2 is smaller ←
14:54:14 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:54:29 <Steven> Mark: Meta and link everywhere is hard in existing browsers
Mark Birbeck: Meta and link everywhere is hard in existing browsers ←
14:54:44 <Steven> ... but otherwise, I would propose we do it, if it is on our charter
... but otherwise, I would propose we do it, if it is on our charter ←
14:56:18 <Steven> Steven: Well, we produced XHTML1.1+RDFa without a sepc
Steven Pemberton: Well, we produced XHTML1.1+RDFa without a spec ←
14:56:38 <Steven> ... we have the modules on our charter, we just make a DTD/scvhema that combines them
... we have the modules on our charter, we just make a DTD/schema that combines them ←
14:56:43 <ShaneM> s/sepc/spec/
14:56:46 <Steven> s/sepc/spec/
14:57:05 <Steven> s/scvh/sch/
14:57:32 <Steven> Roland: Let's get our modules out, and then decide what we want to do with them
Roland Merrick: Let's get our modules out, and then decide what we want to do with them ←
14:57:36 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:59:15 <Steven> Rich: Is there any coordination on who owns the XHTML namespace?
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Is there any coordination on who owns the XHTML namespace? ←
14:59:24 <Steven> Steven: Yes, will be talked about at the TP I think
Steven Pemberton: Yes, will be talked about at the TP I think ←
14:59:37 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:59:39 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:59:40 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:59:41 <Schnitz> bye
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: bye ←
14:59:41 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←
14:59:42 <Zakim> -Yamx
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Yamx ←
14:59:43 <Zakim> -Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←
14:59:44 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:59:44 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:59:45 <Zakim> -Schnitz
Zakim IRC Bot: -Schnitz ←
14:59:46 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
14:59:52 <Steven> Shane: It is on the W3M management call today
Shane McCarron: It is on the W3M management call today ←
14:59:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +013868aaaa, Steven, ShaneM, +1.303.410.aabb, Roland, Schnitz, Alessio, Yamx, Rich, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, +013868aaaa, Steven, ShaneM, +1.303.410.aabb, Roland, Schnitz, Alessio, Yamx, Rich, markbirbeck ←
15:00:14 <Steven> Shane: But just because it is in the namesapce doesn't mean it is in the language
Shane McCarron: But just because it is in the namesapce doesn't mean it is in the language ←
15:00:22 <Steven> Steven: It is a non-problem really
Steven Pemberton: It is a non-problem really ←
15:00:32 <Steven> Mark: Unless someone changes the meaning of something
Mark Birbeck: Unless someone changes the meaning of something ←
15:00:43 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
[ADJOURN] ←
15:00:49 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:00:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:04:12 <oedipus> markbirbeck and schnitz - is wednesday 31 october, from 1700 UCT to 1800 UCT or 1800 UCT to 1900 UCT work for joint forms task force call?
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Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: markbirbeck and schnitz - is wednesday 31 october, from 1700 UCT to 1800 UCT or 1800 UCT to 1900 UCT work for joint forms task force call? ←
15:04:58 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:05:42 <Steven> Chair: Roland
15:06:06 <Steven> s/Steve:/Steven:/G
15:07:23 <Steven> i/saw RS' message/Scribe: oedipus
15:07:32 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:07:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:08:15 <Steven> i/so is the problem "how /Scribe: Steven
15:09:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:09:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/24-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:11:25 <Schnitz> oedipus, yep would work for me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: oedipus, yep would work for me ←
15:12:11 <oedipus> thanks schnitz -- that's currently the leading 2 candidates (31 october at 1700 UCT or 1800 UCT for 1 hour)
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: thanks schnitz -- that's currently the leading 2 candidates (31 october at 1700 UCT or 1800 UCT for 1 hour) ←
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