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13:48:28 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-xhtml-irc
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13:48:38 <Steven_> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:48:38 <Zakim> ok, Steven_; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven_; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes ←
13:48:45 <Steven_> rrsagent, make log world
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log world ←
13:48:56 <Steven_> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:49:06 <Steven_> Chair: Steven, Roland
13:49:30 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0015
13:49:38 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0015
Steven Pemberton: Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Oct/0015 ←
13:50:14 <Steven_> -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2007/09/26-xhtml-minutes
Steven Pemberton: -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2007/09/26-xhtml-minutes ←
13:50:19 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:50:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-xhtml-minutes.html Steven_
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-xhtml-minutes.html Steven_ ←
13:51:04 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio
13:57:55 <ShaneM> I will be a couple of minutes late
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Shane McCarron: I will be a couple of minutes late ←
13:58:26 <Steven> Regrets+MarkB, Tina
Steven Pemberton: Regrets+MarkB, Tina ←
13:58:32 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started ←
13:58:39 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:58:41 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, code? ←
13:58:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz ←
13:59:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
13:59:17 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
13:59:28 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p4 is me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, ??p4 is me ←
13:59:28 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Schnitz; got it ←
13:59:37 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, mute me ←
13:59:37 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should now be muted ←
13:59:52 <oedipus> zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita
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Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: zakim, mute Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:59:52 <Zakim> Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Gregory_Rosmaita should now be muted ←
14:00:11 <Steven> Please!
Steven Pemberton: Please! ←
14:00:18 <oedipus> no problem
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Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown oedipus: no problem ←
14:00:23 <oedipus> scribe: oedipus
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(Scribe set to Unknown oedipus)
14:00:29 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
14:01:22 <oedipus> i will be on mute so that my screen reader doesn't keep interrupting the call
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Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
i will be on mute so that my screen reader doesn't keep interrupting the call ←
14:01:43 <Steven> :-)
Steven Pemberton: :-) ←
14:01:48 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
14:01:48 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
14:01:49 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:02:02 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:02:02 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should no longer be muted ←
14:02:18 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, mute me ←
14:02:18 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should now be muted ←
14:02:30 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:02:30 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should no longer be muted ←
14:02:50 <Schnitz> zakim, who is here?
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita (muted), [IBM], Schnitz, +013868aaaa, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita (muted), [IBM], Schnitz, +013868aaaa, Steven ←
14:02:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, Schnitz, Rich, ShaneM, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, myakura, Roland, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, Schnitz, Rich, ShaneM, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, myakura, Roland, krijnh ←
14:03:07 <Schnitz> oedipus, could be...
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: oedipus, could be... ←
14:03:28 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is RIch
Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is RIch ←
14:03:28 <Zakim> +RIch; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +RIch; got it ←
14:03:42 <Steven> zakim, Rich is Roland
Steven Pemberton: zakim, Rich is Roland ←
14:03:42 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland; got it ←
14:03:50 <Steven> zakim, [IBM] is Rich
Steven Pemberton: zakim, [IBM] is Rich ←
14:03:50 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it ←
14:03:55 <Schnitz> oedipus, right
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: oedipus, right ←
14:04:25 <Schnitz> :-)
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: :-) ←
14:05:20 <oedipus> FYI: joint forms task force finally inching out of neutral (everyone's posted to the list and we have a plan of action and a draft charter
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Unknown FYI: joint forms task force finally inching out of neutral (everyone's posted to the list and we have a plan of action and a draft charter ←
14:05:58 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
14:06:07 <Schnitz> oedipus, you mean since I finally managed to introduce myself? ;-)
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: oedipus, you mean since I finally managed to introduce myself? ;-) ←
14:06:07 <yamx> zakim, ??P22 is yamx
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Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P22 is yamx ←
14:06:07 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
14:06:44 <Schnitz> oedipus, whats your full name, btw?
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: oedipus, whats your full name, btw? ←
14:07:08 <oedipus> chair: Steven_Pemberton
14:07:21 <oedipus> R: go through action items and clear out as many as possible
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Scribe problem: the name 'R' is ambiguous. It could be any of: RRSAgent IRC Bot Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown R: go through action items and clear out as many as possible ←
14:07:27 <oedipus> SP: need shifting
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Steven Pemberton: need shifting ←
14:07:33 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:07:33 <Zakim> Schnitz was not muted, Schnitz
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz was not muted, Schnitz ←
14:07:37 <oedipus> SP: today hotel deadline for TPAC
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Steven Pemberton: today hotel deadline for TPAC ←
14:07:38 <Schnitz> zakim, thanks
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, thanks ←
14:07:38 <Zakim> you are very welcome, Schnitz
Zakim IRC Bot: you are very welcome, Schnitz ←
14:08:07 <oedipus> SP: worried that a number of people stated last week can't come -- now cancelled 2 successive f2f meetings, so we REALLY need to get together soon
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Steven Pemberton: worried that a number of people stated last week can't come -- now cancelled 2 successive f2f meetings, so we REALLY need to get together soon ←
14:08:23 <oedipus> SP: number of WGs that want to talk to us: WAI wants to discuss ARIA
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Steven Pemberton: number of WGs that want to talk to us: WAI wants to discuss ARIA ←
14:08:30 <oedipus> RS: ARIA team or HTML WG
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: ARIA team or HTML WG ←
14:08:46 <oedipus> RS: Simon Pieters had proposal
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: Simon Pieters had proposal ←
14:08:52 <oedipus> RS & GJR will be at f2f
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Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
RS & GJR will be at f2f ←
14:09:16 <oedipus> SP: as many of us should turn up and meet regardless -- can't cancel this one -- too many important opportunities at TPAC
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Steven Pemberton: as many of us should turn up and meet regardless -- can't cancel this one -- too many important opportunities at TPAC ←
14:09:47 <oedipus> SP: role meant to go to LC last week -- need to check with Shane as to status; ok to go to last call, all i need is a draft to mount
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Steven Pemberton: role meant to go to LC last week -- need to check with Shane as to status; ok to go to last call, all i need is a draft to mount ←
14:09:53 <oedipus> TOPIC: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
14:09:58 <oedipus> SP: any news yam?
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Steven Pemberton: any news yam? ←
14:10:04 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, mute me ←
14:10:04 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should now be muted ←
14:10:52 <oedipus> Yam: will be browsing testset -- december 7 to 14 -- already october, guess is don't have ready now, but will have browsing component ready before TPAC;
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Toshihiko Yamakami: will be browsing testset -- december 7 to 14 -- already october, guess is don't have ready now, but will have browsing component ready before TPAC; ←
14:11:19 <oedipus> SP: nothing currently, but hope in october (11 days time) will be more tests done then
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Steven Pemberton: nothing currently, but hope in october (11 days time) will be more tests done then ←
14:11:21 <oedipus> Yam: yes
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Toshihiko Yamakami: yes ←
14:11:30 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
14:11:48 <oedipus> SP: need to write activity statement for upcoming AC meeting; would be good to include report of status of testing and concrete plans
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Steven Pemberton: need to write activity statement for upcoming AC meeting; would be good to include report of status of testing and concrete plans ←
14:11:58 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:11:58 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should no longer be muted ←
14:13:37 <oedipus> SS: been involved in W3C for quite a while; member of HTML WG in 1999, started forms sub-group that became Forms WG; used to work for SAP, now have own software company (second) -- right now, interested in getting XML apps using only XML applications, including an XML database; always had interest in HTML; editor of modularization of HTML; interacting with customers as well as being a developer
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: been involved in W3C for quite a while; member of HTML WG in 1999, started forms sub-group that became Forms WG; used to work for SAP, now have own software company (second) -- right now, interested in getting XML apps using only XML applications, including an XML database; always had interest in HTML; editor of modularization of HTML; interacting with customers as well as being a developer ←
14:13:43 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, mute me ←
14:13:43 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Schnitz should now be muted ←
14:13:54 <oedipus> SP: Shane, last call of role -- thought new draft supposed to be delivered monday
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Steven Pemberton: Shane, last call of role -- thought new draft supposed to be delivered monday ←
14:14:01 <oedipus> SH: ok
Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Shane McCarron: ok ←
14:14:10 <oedipus> SP: will follow up with ShaneH after call
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Steven Pemberton: will follow up with ShaneM after call ←
14:14:16 <oedipus> TOPIC: Media type (again)
14:14:24 <ShaneM> s/ShaneH/ShaneM/
14:14:49 <oedipus> SP: issue arisen again; can someone explain exact problem?
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Steven Pemberton: issue arisen again; can someone explain exact problem? ←
14:14:58 <Schnitz> ShaneM: LOL
Shane McCarron: LOL [ Scribe Assist by Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer ] ←
14:15:03 <Schnitz> :-)
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: :-) ←
14:15:05 <Schnitz> I missed Shane
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: I missed Shane ←
14:15:26 <oedipus> SP: recall message from Shane about difficulty locating
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Steven Pemberton: recall message from Shane about difficulty locating ←
14:16:04 <oedipus> SM: f2f meeting (cannes or venice) -- WG decided to declare victory -- text/html is the media type, that's that -- then we thought better of it and switched it back -- should serve as...
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Shane McCarron: f2f meeting (cannes or venice) -- WG decided to declare victory -- text/html is the media type, that's that -- then we thought better of it and switched it back -- should serve as... ←
14:16:19 <oedipus> SP: my recollection is "should be" application/+xml
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Steven Pemberton: my recollection is "should be" application/+xml ←
14:16:25 <oedipus> SM: yes
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Shane McCarron: yes ←
14:16:39 <oedipus> SP: suggest that it resolution be marked in red letters
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Steven Pemberton: suggest that it resolution be marked in red letters ←
14:17:00 <oedipus> RESOLVED: as earlier resolved XHTML family languages should be served as application/+xml
RESOLVED: as earlier resolved XHTML family languages should be served as application/+xml ←
14:17:09 <oedipus> SM: found pointer to decision
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Shane McCarron: found pointer to decision ←
14:17:12 <ShaneM> 15http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-xhtml-minutes.html#item0301
Shane McCarron: 15http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-xhtml-minutes.html#item0301 ←
14:17:24 <Steven> sshould/SHOULD/
Steven Pemberton: sSHOULD/SHOULD/ ←
14:17:30 <Steven> s/should/SHOULD/
14:18:22 <oedipus> SP: cannot make a MUST
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Steven Pemberton: cannot make a MUST ←
14:18:41 <oedipus> SM: lachlan hunt requested a MUST; we replied should be a SHOULD
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Shane McCarron: lachlan hunt requested a MUST; we replied should be a SHOULD ←
14:19:05 <oedipus> SP: what shall we do -- shall i reply or you or already resolved and just needs a pointer
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Steven Pemberton: what shall we do -- shall i reply or you or already resolved and just needs a pointer ←
14:19:11 <oedipus> SM: Steven can reply
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Shane McCarron: Steven can reply ←
14:19:34 <oedipus> ACTION: Steven convey reply about media type to pertinent parties
ACTION: Steven convey reply about media type to pertinent parties ←
14:19:48 <oedipus> TOPIC: role cardinality
14:20:06 <oedipus> SM: DanC edited our namespace document -- anyone notice?
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Shane McCarron: DanC edited our namespace document -- anyone notice? ←
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14:20:27 <oedipus> SS: new HTML WG claiming ownership of namespace
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Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: new HTML WG claiming ownership of namespace ←
14:20:33 <oedipus> SM: need to have a discussion on that
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Shane McCarron: need to have a discussion on that ←
14:21:06 <oedipus> RS: talking about role -- thought other WG owned namespace -- can't make change here and not expect problems with other documents with dependencies to namespace
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: talking about role -- thought other WG owned namespace -- can't make change here and not expect problems with other documents with dependencies to namespace ←
14:21:22 <oedipus> SM: who manages?
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Shane McCarron: who manages? ←
14:22:59 <oedipus> SP: ok to use 1999 namespace in XHTML2, but there are others who don't want us to use it
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Steven Pemberton: ok to use 1999 namespace in XHTML2, but there are others who don't want us to use it ←
14:23:17 <oedipus> RS: asking ownership questions -- if put ARIA into namespace, effects other work
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: asking ownership questions -- if put ARIA into namespace, effects other work ←
14:23:44 <oedipus> SP: issue bound to come up anyway -- XML serialization of HTML5, which means going to have to own namespace
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Steven Pemberton: issue bound to come up anyway -- XML serialization of HTML5, which means going to have to own namespace ←
14:24:50 <oedipus> SP: conflict between backwards compatability; 2 UAs use the namespace -- don't want to have yet another namespace
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Steven Pemberton: conflict between backwards compatability; 2 UAs use the namespace -- don't want to have yet another namespace ←
14:25:03 <oedipus> RS: wrestle at Boston Garden over ownership at f2f?
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: wrestle at Boston Garden over ownership at f2f? ←
14:25:08 <oedipus> SP: registered to have meeting
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Steven Pemberton: registered to have meeting ←
14:25:16 <oedipus> GJR: meetings conflict with our meetings
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Unknown GJR: meetings conflict with our meetings ←
14:26:28 <oedipus> SP: work ongoing at WHAT WG -- WHAT WG version will be compatible with w3c version
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Steven Pemberton: work ongoing at WHAT WG -- WHAT WG version will be compatible with w3c version ←
14:26:38 <oedipus> GJR: this is a BIG bone of contention in the HTML WG
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Unknown GJR: this is a BIG bone of contention in the HTML WG ←
14:26:52 <oedipus> GJR: multiple requests for 1 track development
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Unknown GJR: multiple requests for 1 track development ←
14:29:39 <Schnitz> oedipus, yes, I do plan to work well in Forms TF
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: oedipus, yes, I do plan to work well in Forms TF ←
14:29:50 <oedipus> me, too!
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me, too! ←
14:29:58 <Schnitz> cool
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: cool ←
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14:33:39 <oedipus> SM: as a WG we need to sort out namespacing issue for ourselves
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Shane McCarron: as a WG we need to sort out namespacing issue for ourselves ←
14:33:55 <oedipus> SS: don't think should resolve issue on WG level right now
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Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: don't think should resolve issue on WG level right now ←
14:34:12 <oedipus> SP: only change on formal request
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Steven Pemberton: only change on formal request ←
14:34:25 <oedipus> TOPIC: role cardinality
14:34:36 <oedipus> SP: started as "ARIA Proposal"
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Steven Pemberton: started as "ARIA Proposal" ←
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14:34:56 <oedipus> SP: long thread that started at end of september continuing in october
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Steven Pemberton: long thread that started at end of september continuing in october ←
14:35:08 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0016
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Sep/0016 ←
14:35:17 <oedipus> GJR: email threads logged at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration
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Unknown GJR: email threads logged at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration ←
14:35:35 <oedipus> also includes proposals and counter-proposals
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also includes proposals and counter-proposals ←
14:35:58 <Schnitz> brb
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: brb ←
14:37:02 <oedipus> RS: what they want to do is be able to provide migration path from HTML to XHTML for role property; HTML4 doesn't have extensibility provision; worked out a best practices technique for UA devs to implement ARIA in web 2.0 apps; want incorporated into HTML5, but be supportive of XHTML; wanted all ARIA roles to be part of XHTML namespace -- like navigation landmarks for document; other thing was have ARIA properties included in that namespace
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: what they want to do is be able to provide migration path from HTML to XHTML for role property; HTML4 doesn't have extensibility provision; worked out a best practices technique for UA devs to implement ARIA in web 2.0 apps; want incorporated into HTML5, but be supportive of XHTML; wanted all ARIA roles to be part of XHTML namespace -- like navigation landmarks for document; other thing was have ARIA properties included in that namespace ←
14:37:12 <oedipus> SP: attribute named "aria-hidden"
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Steven Pemberton: attribute named "aria-hidden" ←
14:38:00 <oedipus> RS: whole suite of ARIA properties they want in namespace; defined namespace for properties to integrate ARIA into HTML4/XHTML1.0; proposal is "aria-" and property name to be included in 1999 XML namespace which HTML WG thinks it owns
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: whole suite of ARIA properties they want in namespace; defined namespace for properties to integrate ARIA into HTML4/XHTML1.0; proposal is "aria-" and property name to be included in 1999 XML namespace which HTML WG thinks it owns ←
14:38:36 <oedipus> RS: didn't like idea of role just for accessibility; wanted to call role accessibility; nixed -- other needs for roles; don't like that it is a qname in serializatino
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: didn't like idea of role just for accessibility; wanted to call role accessibility; nixed -- other needs for roles; don't like that it is a qname in serializatino ←
14:38:45 <oedipus> SP: HTML serialization?
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Steven Pemberton: HTML serialization? ←
14:38:53 <oedipus> RS: yes, but calling it XHTML serialization
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: yes, but calling it XHTML serialization ←
14:39:08 <oedipus> SP: in HTML serialization no concept of namespaces which causes big trouble
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Steven Pemberton: in HTML serialization no concept of namespaces which causes big trouble ←
14:39:26 <oedipus> RS: proposal now is all ARIA values for role would be used without namespace qualifier
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: proposal now is all ARIA values for role would be used without namespace qualifier ←
14:39:46 <oedipus> threads logged at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration
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threads logged at http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration ←
14:39:48 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/att-0106/aria-proposal.html
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/att-0106/aria-proposal.html ←
14:40:04 <oedipus> SP: sent to www-archive so has w3.org URL
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Steven Pemberton: sent to www-archive so has w3.org URL ←
14:40:30 <oedipus> SM: to sum up, they are requesting that some things be addded to collection of role values in XML namespace
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Shane McCarron: to sum up, they are requesting that some things be addded to collection of role values in XML namespace ←
14:40:54 <oedipus> RS: want ARIA states and properties stated as "aria-[rolename]
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: want ARIA states and properties stated as "aria-[rolename] ←
14:41:55 <oedipus> RS: ARIA properties provide additional accessiblility info to generic elements that then are mapped to accessiblity API; HTML5 glued "required" property onto form elements; which would take precedence -- HTML property or ARIA property; aria- supposed to prevent collisions
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: ARIA properties provide additional accessiblility info to generic elements that then are mapped to accessiblity API; HTML5 glued "required" property onto form elements; which would take precedence -- HTML property or ARIA property; aria- supposed to prevent collisions ←
14:43:00 <oedipus> SP: colon in namespaces chosen for reason; allowable character for attributes; for HTML processing why not demand that a fixed prefix (aaa: or aria:) as prefix of attribute always; colon a name character, so get namespaces in XHTML version, and non-namespaced in HTML version
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Steven Pemberton: colon in namespaces chosen for reason; allowable character for attributes; for HTML processing why not demand that a fixed prefix (aaa: or aria:) as prefix of attribute always; colon a name character, so get namespaces in XHTML version, and non-namespaced in HTML version ←
14:43:42 <oedipus> RS: trying to avoid namespaces altogether, i think; don't look at as extensible XML based doc, but simply a serialization of what can be done in HTML without extensibility
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: trying to avoid namespaces altogether, i think; don't look at as extensible XML based doc, but simply a serialization of what can be done in HTML without extensibility ←
14:44:25 <oedipus> RS: aria- proposal from Ian Hickson
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: aria- proposal from Ian Hickson ←
14:44:25 <oedipus> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration#head-f5efefdff051b98d83272dfefba4021c90f26dc1
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http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ARIAIntegration#head-f5efefdff051b98d83272dfefba4021c90f26dc1 ←
14:44:39 <oedipus> RS: ARIA role has a number of roles for widgets, structural elements, etc.
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: ARIA role has a number of roles for widgets, structural elements, etc. ←
14:45:27 <oedipus> SM: if they want to introduce new attributes, that's fine with us -- hyphen about names, not values; context of attribute values, if requesting that bunch of values to added to XHTML values, valid request as long as don't conflict
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Shane McCarron: if they want to introduce new attributes, that's fine with us -- hyphen about names, not values; context of attribute values, if requesting that bunch of values to added to XHTML values, valid request as long as don't conflict ←
14:45:44 <oedipus> SP: they want to put into XML namespace so don't have to deal with namespaces in role attribute
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Steven Pemberton: they want to put into XML namespace so don't have to deal with namespaces in role attribute ←
14:46:01 <oedipus> RS: right -- wai-role:CURIE with type following it
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: right -- wai-role:CURIE with type following it ←
14:46:11 <oedipus> RS: grid -- want role=grid
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: grid -- want role=grid ←
14:46:21 <oedipus> SP: trying to fight exentsibility via namespaces
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Steven Pemberton: trying to fight extensibility via namespaces ←
14:46:46 <oedipus> s/exentsibility/extensibility/
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Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: zakim, unmute me ←
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14:47:21 <oedipus> SP: HTML WG chartered to do serialization which must have namespaces; contrary to what XHTML2 chartered to do
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Steven Pemberton: HTML WG chartered to do serialization which must have namespaces; contrary to what XHTML2 chartered to do ←
14:47:27 <oedipus> SM: did for Ruby, did for Forms
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Shane McCarron: did for Ruby, did for Forms ←
14:47:29 <oedipus> SP: true
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Steven Pemberton: true ←
14:48:50 <oedipus> RS: if a colon in HTML world for role value, treated as one string instead of qname; pointed out problem: have qnames -- what about use of SVG to create flow charts? not thinking ahead long-term, minunderstanding of real issues
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: if a colon in HTML world for role value, treated as one string instead of qname; pointed out problem: have qnames -- what about use of SVG to create flow charts? not thinking ahead long-term, minunderstanding of real issues ←
14:49:37 <oedipus> SP: one of the first places where extensibility comes in, is roles; extensibility may never happen if don't use qnames -- everything will end up in HTML namespace
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Steven Pemberton: one of the first places where extensibility comes in, is roles; extensibility may never happen if don't use qnames -- everything will end up in HTML namespace ←
14:50:03 <oedipus> SM: trying to ensure extensibility mechanism built-into language; role needs to be used
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Shane McCarron: trying to ensure extensibility mechanism built-into language; role needs to be used ←
14:50:17 <oedipus> SP: same complaints coming from them about RDFa
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Steven Pemberton: same complaints coming from them about RDFa ←
14:50:25 <oedipus> SM: don't have leg to stand on
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Shane McCarron: don't have leg to stand on ←
14:50:52 <oedipus> RS: don't have issue asking for role values to become part of namespace; shooting self in foot if go down non-extensible route
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: don't have issue asking for role values to become part of namespace; shooting self in foot if go down non-extensible route ←
14:51:22 <oedipus> SS: there is actual money value in efficiency boost by using XML and namespacing; tag soup devalues and compromises accessibility
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Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: there is actual money value in efficiency boost by using XML and namespacing; tag soup devalues and compromises accessibility ←
14:52:08 <oedipus> SS: if use XML database, doesn't matter what app grammar you're using -- have to say this is HTML and have to treat like this and that is XML so treat like that, it all breaks down; flow chart example of RS interesting - that's where things are going
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Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: if use XML database, doesn't matter what app grammar you're using -- have to say this is HTML and have to treat like this and that is XML so treat like that, it all breaks down; flow chart example of RS interesting - that's where things are going ←
14:52:17 <oedipus> RS: they're bet is on XBL
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: their bet is on XBL ←
14:52:27 <oedipus> s/they're/their
14:52:44 <oedipus> RS: XBL not going to be adopted by industry leaders
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: XBL not going to be adopted by industry leaders ←
14:53:21 <oedipus> SP: mark has implemented XBL on top of IE
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Steven Pemberton: mark has implemented XBL on top of IE ←
14:53:27 <oedipus> RS: not that can't be done, but will it?
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: not that can't be done, but will it? ←
14:53:37 <oedipus> GJR: XBL draft dangersously underspecified
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Unknown GJR: XBL draft dangersously underspecified ←
14:53:54 <oedipus> SP: transition call for modularization 1.1 -- shane and roland, can you be on call?
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Steven Pemberton: transition call for modularization 1.1 -- shane and roland, can you be on call? ←
14:54:10 <oedipus> SP: will contact shane and roland about date and time for call
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Steven Pemberton: will contact shane and roland about date and time for call ←
14:54:30 <oedipus> SP: get last call of role up -- any other issues?
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Steven Pemberton: get last call of role up -- any other issues? ←
14:54:37 <oedipus> non-logged
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14:54:44 <oedipus> RS: how many at F2F
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Richard Schwerdtfeger: how many at F2F ←
14:55:17 <oedipus> SP: StevenP, Roland, RichS...
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Steven Pemberton: StevenP, Roland, RichS... ←
14:55:29 <oedipus> GJR: will be there unless joint task force meeting
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Unknown GJR: will be there unless joint task force meeting ←
14:55:40 <oedipus> SS: will be there whole week
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Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: will be there whole week ←
14:55:43 <oedipus> GJR: as will i
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Unknown GJR: as will i ←
14:55:49 <Schnitz> oedipus: maybe :-)
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Unknown oedipus: maybe :-) [ Scribe Assist by Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer ] ←
14:55:56 <Schnitz> thanks
Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer: thanks ←
14:56:09 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:56:10 <Zakim> -yamx
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Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←
14:56:10 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:56:12 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:56:14 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:56:15 <Zakim> -Schnitz
Zakim IRC Bot: -Schnitz ←
14:56:27 <Zakim> -Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←
14:56:28 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←
14:56:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, Schnitz, Roland, Steven, Rich, yamx, ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Gregory_Rosmaita, Schnitz, Roland, Steven, Rich, yamx, ShaneM ←
14:56:39 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:56:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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